Asnes Mountain Race 48 SKIN

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Re: Asnes Mountain Race 48 SKIN

Post by Musk Ox » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:57 am

Woodserson wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:32 pm
Oh man, I miss snow so much. That is such a great picture, thank you!

I want to make a small correction to your post *ahem ahem* since I am proud owner...
Mrs M. Ox took MR 51s
I believe you mean... MT 51s

Like, the best trad ski ever? Of which I have a pair of in my basement? The ones that scream sophistication and panache, stability and strength? OooooOOOoooOOoooOoooo!
I do indeed. The MT 51. C'est ça. Bless all those who follow in their broken trail and thank you for this important correction.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I was the winner yesterday when we got to the top only for reasons of waxing! The built-in skins were made for those really variable conditions: ice, loose drifts of old snow, crust, fresh snow, and changing temperatures when the sun came out. I'd have preferred the MT 51s otherwise, I think.

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Re: Asnes Mountain Race 48 SKIN

Post by Woodserson » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:46 am

Musk Ox wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:57 am


I do indeed. The MT 51. C'est ça. Bless all those who follow in their broken trail and thank you for this important correction.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I was the winner yesterday when we got to the top only for reasons of waxing! The built-in skins were made for those really variable conditions: ice, loose drifts of old snow, crust, fresh snow, and changing temperatures when the sun came out. I'd have preferred the MT 51s otherwise, I think.
So, let's be honest, here. The difference between the two skis is 3mm in the waist and 2mm in the tail. We are not talking about dark gaping chasms of difference here. I would have a very hard time justifying the MR48-Wax when I already have a MT51-Wax in the quiver.

EDIT: WOAH WOAH, I didn't realize that the MR48 is almost 200grams lighter than the MT51 in the same length! That is something. (760 vs 951 according to Asnes)

That being said, I feel like I really need a MR48-Skin. NEED.

Dan, (ex?)-Neptune employee who we've all seen in his youtube vids has a nice post about the MR48-Wax which I just bumped into recently. He also has a good write-up of his Amundsen Challenge somewhere else on the blog. Interestingly enough, he mounted them with NNN, instead of BC, a decision he grappled with for a bit. I am a pro at nailbiting while straddling this line on this class ski and I get it.

https://altabackcountry.com/2019/04/17/ ... ntry-skis/

Best line:
"This is something I miss with just straight track skiing – the ability to be deep in nature, away from people. On the other hand I love the light, fast and free feeling of a fast classic or skate ski. It seems the Mountain Race skis offer the best of both worlds: wild and fast freedom. It is an intoxicating combination."

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Re: Asnes Mountain Race 48 SKIN

Post by Musk Ox » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:30 am

Woodserson wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:46 am
So, let's be honest, here. The difference between the two skis is 3mm in the waist and 2mm in the tail. We are not talking about dark gaping chasms of difference here. I would have a very hard time justifying the MR48-Wax when I already have a MT51-Wax in the quiver.
I know. I know. I do know. And yet. I'm constantly falling down on steep hills and my wife doesn't. It has to be the skis. There's no other explanation. I mean, it can't be a lack of skill on my part, that is impossible. I'm only partially joking.

I have a pair of both the waxed and skinned flavour of the MR 48. It wasn't entirely by intention (I grabbed a bargain) and I do wish I'd just saved up a bit and bought something radically different, but it's hardly the end of the world. The built in skins have definite advantages in certain circumstances.

Generally It isn't exactly a revelation to say that the MR 48s are nimble in the extreme. Tap dancing shoes, a total delight in appropriate conditions (following freshly-broken trail, fresh snow of a certain depth, consolidated snow, windpacked snow, white snow, snow that has fallen from the sky).

The MT 51s, with a near-identical geometry, seem to scratch over lumps and holes better and be generally less scary on scary bits. Subjective and unquantifiable comments. But there you go.

Edit: I really agree with that review! They're so much fun.
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Re: Asnes Mountain Race 48 SKIN

Post by fisheater » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:05 am

Sounds like a fun ski, and the article had me thinking I could use a ski like this. Fortunately for my wallet, while we do have some straight track skiing in Michigan, I think the Gamme are fast enough for my little amount of groomed skiing.
I found the paragraph at the start of the article to ring very true with me. Please remember this comes from a man that skis is southern Michigan. I deal with warm snow much more than I like. I’m also thankful for that warm snow, it is much better than no snow.

It is also a waxable ski. In the U.S., when people buy backcountry nordic touring skis, they almost always buy waxless skis. Most of these skis handle poorly, to the point where they really detract from the enjoyment of the sport. It’s kind of like…if mountain bikers were all still riding fully-rigid 26″ inch bikes with steep head tube angles. Yet in America, waxless backcountry nordic skis are pretty much the name of the game. Things have not evolved much and as such the sport has stagnated in this country.

I believe the preponderance of waxless skis for Nordic skiing has basically rendered the sport irrelevant. I’ve said a few times this year that I’m not a real good cross country skier. I’m not bragging, I am kind of surprised how much I enjoy my cross country pursuits. My first Nordic touring set up was S-112’s and T-4’s. I skied the trails looking to connect open hillsides, and power line opening that went downhill. I decided to pick up some Åsnes surplus skis cheap, just to try wax. What a difference! Now I am skiing trails with a Gamme 54, it’s a different sport altogether. I was forced do to limited snowfall, to ski park trails. Now the park consists of 1200 acres, and it has some hilly terrain, it’s just for me I prefer not to ski gravel paved trails. Even through it is a very pretty area, the paved trails just lend too much civilization for me. However it does attract cross country skiers. The cross country skiers bring me to the point. I was flying by every skier I saw this year. I was stopped numerous times, people asking about my skis. I even had a gentleman in his seventies say that maybe he should take his old Europa’s out of the attic. The cross country skis sold to most people in this country are not very good, and certainly not very fun.
Holy thread drift! Oh well, it’s fishing season and I still have skiing on my mind.
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Re: Asnes Mountain Race 48 SKIN

Post by Woodserson » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:34 am

Musk Ox wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:30 am

I know. I know. I do know. And yet. I'm constantly falling down on steep hills and my wife doesn't. It has to be the skis. There's no other explanation. I mean, it can't be a lack of skill on my part, that is impossible. I'm only partially joking.

I have a pair of both the waxed and skinned flavour of the MR 48. It wasn't entirely by intention (I grabbed a bargain) and I do wish I'd just saved up a bit and bought something radically different, but it's hardly the end of the world. The built in skins have definite advantages in certain circumstances.

Generally It isn't exactly a revelation to say that the MR 48s are nimble in the extreme. Tap dancing shoes, a total delight in appropriate conditions (following freshly-broken trail, fresh snow of a certain depth, consolidated snow, windpacked snow, white snow, snow that has fallen from the sky).

The MT 51s, with a near-identical geometry, seem to scratch over lumps and holes better and be generally less scary on scary bits. Subjective and unquantifiable comments. But there you go.

Edit: I really agree with that review! They're so much fun.
These threads get long, and I totally forgot Johnny's description back on post #1:
Johnny wrote:Yes, they are fast. And also SUPER LIGHT! They are not the lightest of the lightest skis you can find on the planet, but the difference is hardly noticeable for skis you would pay twice the price to save a few grams. The MR48 SKIN is really amazing at only 775g per ski at 200cm! (25% lighter than the Gamme!) Remember this is a wood core ski with ¾ steel edges, not a cheap Chinese noodle. To keep weight at the minimum, I mounted them with Xcelerators (91g) and NIS plates (62g). So that makes a stunning 3.45 lbs per feet, including skis, bindings AND BOOTS! WOOOAAAaaaahhh…! Without a doubt the lightest setup I have ever had. They also have a very nice Nordic Rocker, but not as important as other Asnes BC skis.
The extra 200grams of heft in the MT51 is what makes it scratch over lumps and holes with a bit more assertiveness than the MR48, which makes your description of "tap dancing shoes" straight-on.

Regardless, both are great skis and it's obvious I need a pair of MR48's to round out my collection. Now as long as I don't lose my job...

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