Alpina BC 1600 Boot

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lilcliffy
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Re: Alpina BC 1600 Boot

Post by lilcliffy » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:43 pm

GuillaumeM wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:11 am
It uses a 3.0 mm full grain leather (my Stetind have a 2.4-2.6) and a kevlar reinforced toe-box.
Wow. Alpina told me the Alaska is 2.6-2.8mm leather. And I always assumed that the Stetind would have thicker leather than the Alaska for some reason...
The sole flex is stiffer than both the Stetind and the Alaska (out of the box, let's see how it goes on the long run), very close to the BCX6 and the Sydpolen.
Which BCX6 are you speaking of?
Sole is stiffer than the Alaska BC and Stetind? Wow. I am wondering if this is a good thing in a NNNBC boot. Though I appreciate the stability of the sole in the Alaska BC- even once broken-in- I think I have come to the conclusion that I like the flex of the softer Guard Advance BC and Svartisen BC- I find it easier to feel and pressure the ski...Whether I still like the sole flex of these boots after a few years of hard skiing remains to be seen.

BUT- a NNNBC boot that has an even stiffer flex than the Alaska BC? Wow. That would be fine for skating but sounds too stiff for both XC and telemark skiing...
The ankle support looks also better than the Stetind, the Alaska and the Sydpolen.
Great to have a comparison with these other boots. Thanks! Gareth
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Re: Alpina BC 1600 Boot

Post by GuillaumeM » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:59 am

Wow. Alpina told me the Alaska is 2.6-2.8mm leather. And I always assumed that the Stetind would have thicker leather than the Alaska for some reason...
I don't have much experience with the Stetind but so far I find it a well-balanced boot, overall more stable than my previous Svartisen 75, despite having less ankle support.
Which BCX6 are you speaking of?
The Fischer one. I don't like the plastic construction, synthetic membrans, zippers and so on... But I have to admit it has a very stiff sole and ankle support.
Sole is stiffer than the Alaska BC and Stetind? Wow. I am wondering if this is a good thing in a NNNBC boot. Though I appreciate the stability of the sole in the Alaska BC- even once broken-in- I think I have come to the conclusion that I like the flex of the softer Guard Advance BC and Svartisen BC- I find it easier to feel and pressure the ski...Whether I still like the sole flex of these boots after a few years of hard skiing remains to be seen.

BUT- a NNNBC boot that has an even stiffer flex than the Alaska BC? Wow. That would be fine for skating but sounds too stiff for both XC and telemark skiing...
I think it might be difficult for a beginner, especially to pressure the BOF enough for getting stability downhill. The sole stiffness is similar to the Sydpolen, but on 75 the BOF is already halv-engaged so it is not a big issue. With experience it can become an advantage for more engaged xcD.

For XC more stiffness might lead to a better energy transfer, but yet I think one need to have a good level and it might feel harassing for beginners.

Of course it is all hypothesis and I will let you know about my friends impressions. At least in terms of quality and durability this boot looks very good.

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Location: Stanley, New Brunswick, Canada
Ski style: Nordic backcountry touring
Favorite Skis: Asnes Ingstad BC; Asnes Gamme 54 BC; Asnes Falketind 62;Asnes Storetind Carbon
Favorite boots: Alfa Guard Advance BC; Alpina Alaska BC; Scarpa T4
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Re: Alpina BC 1600 Boot

Post by lilcliffy » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:05 pm

Up to a certain point, I agree- stiffer sole-flex gives better power transfer and better support and stability-

However- a lot of traditional Nordic ski technique- both XC and downhill- requires sole flex, sole flex that allows one to feel and pressure the ski through the BOF and the toes. There has to be a point where the sole is too stiff to effectively flex it and feel and pressure the ski. And I suppose where the limit is could depend on the skills of the skier- but, I am not a beginner and I don't think I would want a Nordic ski touring boot with a sole stiffer than the Alaska- be it NNNBC or 75mm. At first- being used to the Alaska BC- I was a bit disappointed by the moderate sole flex of my Svartisen BC and Guard Advance BC (and they may well end up being too soft after a few years of hard skiing), but now I have decided I prefer the moderate sole flex of these two boots over the stiffer Alaska BC- for both XC and downhill skiing in the backcountry. I do not feel as connected to the ski with the stiffer Alaska BC.

Keep us posted! This clearly a redesigned boot and the price is amazing considering the quality of the construction you describe. Looking forward to your reports on this boot.
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Re: Alpina BC 1600 Boot

Post by MicahE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:59 pm

GuillaumeM wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:11 am
I ordered the boot for my girlfriend and just received it yesterday. Out of the box it looks like a very promising boot.

It uses a 3.0 mm full grain leather (my Stetind have a 2.4-2.6) and a kevlar reinforced toe-box. The sole flex is stiffer than both the Stetind and the Alaska (out of the box, let's see how it goes on the long run), very close to the BCX6 and the Sydpolen. The ankle support looks also better than the Stetind, the Alaska and the Sydpolen.

According to my girlfriend, there is good volume in the boot and I would think it is close to Alfa shoes. I think the boot is mainly developed for the scandinavian market. Despite the stiffness she said the boot was comfortable, thanks to the cushioning and the Thinsulate liner, so I don't think that blisters will be an issue.

Here in Scandinavia you find the boot for a price between 140-200 USD, which is great. I will let you know about her impressions after testing it on skis (next planned trip for Easter).
Well I hope it works well for her. I was surprised at the low price as well, it seems like such a well made boot.

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