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Hi friends,

I just ordered a pair of Fischer Excursion 88s. Now for the binding:

I have a pair of Karhu XCDs with a voile hardwire but I don’t think I really need or want cartridges or cables for this ski as it’s not nearly as much of a downhill set up as my Karhus. I will be using a BCX transnordic 75 as a boot. I guess my question is: Does anyone else have a 3-pin mounted in this ski, if so what? And how do you like it? Do you have it straight on the ski or is it shimmed at all?
I think my main options are the rotte super tele and various voile options. I used a traverse shim on the hardwire instead of the taller hardwire shim mostly to combat rocker on my t1 and get some support under the ball of my foot. Do I even need or want a shim on the E88?

Thanks for any insight!

No shims needed, and the two brands of 75mm bindings are equally excellent. Personally I prefer the Rottefella, for ease of use, but do have several skis with Voile pins on them, don't notice much difference in performance. The
Rottefella will accept any boot sole thickness; the HD Voile is for thick soled boots, the lighter one is for 14-15mm thick soles.

Unfortunately Rottefella Supertelemark doesn’t work with Transnordic, can’t lock down on the toe piece (Transnordic sole is too thick). Would’ve made a nice combo.

Inspiredcapers wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:29 pm

Unfortunately Rottefella Supertelemark doesn’t work with Transnordic, can’t lock down on the toe piece (Transnordic sole is too thick). Would’ve made a nice combo.

Great tip, thank you!

fgd135 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:21 pm

No shims needed, and the two brands of 75mm bindings are equally excellent. Personally I prefer the Rottefella, for ease of use, but do have several skis with Voile pins on them, don't notice much difference in performance. The
Rottefella will accept any boot sole thickness; the HD Voile is for thick soled boots, the lighter one is for 14-15mm thick soles.

Thanks for the tip about shims and sole thickness!

I found the Voile bindings to be lighter but far less robust than the Rotte ST. The difference in weight wasn't enough to make me like them better than the beefier Rotte ST. Under actual conditions I had the Voile come off once or twice. Pretty sure it was due to packing under the toe and in the holes preventing me getting it closed properly. In deep snow I found the Voile was more difficult to clear and lock. Can't really say why, it just was.

My experience is different than John’s. While I prefer the Rottefella Super Telemark (with cable) for leather boots. My Voile 75 mm bindings have been robust. I have a couple sets that have seen many years and miles with both plastic and a pair of heavy, thick soled, leather boots.
I have never even laid hands on a Transnordic 75. I am surprised I can get my Alico Ski March UK surplus boot into a Rotte ST, but the Transnordic will not fit, but I would listen to the man whom has tried.

My skis with 3 pin bindings are all either Voile Mountaineer or Voile 3 pin cable. All my boots (Crispi Bre and Svartisen, Alico surplus Ski March and vintage Heierling) have thicker duckbills and work great in these bindings. I had the Fischer BCX6 which has a thicker duckbill and they also worked very well with the Voiles. My friend has the Fisher Transnordic 75mm and skied my SB98's. Same sole as the BCX6, worked great. These bindings are also compatable with plastic boots like the Scarpa T4. I don't agree with the comment above that the Rotte ST is stronger. The Voiles are plenty proven and robust. This is a simple, excellent binding. Made in Utah. I have skied the Rotte ST, also a good binding. It does have two advantages, more range of duckbill size for thin duckbills and the longer arm of the bale provides more leverage making clamping the boot slightly easier. I have heard the Voile is better for plastic boots.