Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

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Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by Lo-Fi » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:26 am

Anyone want to share an opinion on the appropriateness of a Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum ski mounted with NNN-BC bindings?

I would be using them, looking for turns, with Alpina Alaska'ish boots.

Thanks!

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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by FrenchFred » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:15 pm

Not tried this set up...
But that could be nice on soft snow in order to feel the right balance in telemark turn ? :idea:
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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by greatgt » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:16 pm

Pins!!!!! TM

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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by fisheater » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:53 pm

I know Lilcliffy has posted he switched his Annum to NNN-BC, and he wrote about it favorably.
I’m impressed with with NNN-BC and Alaska’s with my USGI skis. I can turn those on hardpack quite easily. I ski other skis in soft snow. If I wasn’t mounting my old Fisher S-112 3 pin cable for guests, I would probably mount it NNN. I can over power the S-112 with the Ski March well beyond that ski’s torsional ability to hold an edge. It is a soft snow ski, and I believe I could get full performance out of it NNN / Alaska, but I have an old pair of 3 pin boots that fit a long time ski partner. He wants to trail and backcountry ski with me this year. I have a spare pair of USGI and the S-112, not a bad loaner quiver.

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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by Johnny » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:39 pm

There was a time when my old Guides and my Alpina Alaska 75s were my favorite backcountry tools. They were #1 for me. I honestly and naively thought pins were the best. Then one day, the normal evolution of the intelligent telemark skier (read: the ski Gods) made me upgrade the old Karhu Guides to NNN-BC. Wow. Suddenly, the old Guides became 10 times more fun and more powerful. (!!!) Nothing could have been better than this. Nothing. Then came the NNN-BC Voile Objective. Very similar to the Guide, but lighter, wider and rockered. 10 times more fun than NNN-BC Guides. (That actually makes them 10x10 times more fun than Guides and pins... 8-) )
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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by fisheater » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:49 pm

I know Lilcliffy has posted he switched his Annum to NNN-BC, and he wrote about it favorably.
I’m impressed with with NNN-BC and Alaska’s with my USGI skis. I can turn those on hardpack quite easily. I ski other skis in soft snow. If I wasn’t mounting my old Fisher S-112 3 pin cable for guests, I would probably mount it NNN. I can over power the S-112 with the Ski March well beyond that ski’s torsional ability to hold an edge. It is a soft snow ski, and I believe I could get full performance out of it NNN / Alaska, but I have an old pair of 3 pin boots that fit a long time ski partner. He wants to trail and backcountry ski with me this year. I have a spare pair of USGI and the S-112, not a bad loaner quiver.

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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by Lo-Fi » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Johnny wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:39 pm
There was a time when my old Guides and my Alpina Alaska 75s were my favorite backcountry tools. They were #1 for me. I honestly and naively thought pins were the best. Then one day, the normal evolution of the intelligent telemark skier (read: the ski Gods) made me upgrade the old Karhu Guides to NNN-BC. Wow. Suddenly, the old Guides became 10 times more fun and more powerful. (!!!) Nothing could have been better than this. Nothing. Then came the NNN-BC Voile Objective. Very similar to the Guide, but lighter, wider and rockered. 10 times more fun than NNN-BC Guides. (That actually makes them 10x10 times more fun than Guides and pins... 8-) )
Thanks y'all for the thoughts so far! It's about all I need to hear to do it.

This is kind of my last kick at NNN BC. I've tried to love it over the years but it just hasn't worked out (I'm purging my 10th mountain xcd skis). I always assumed that I just didn't have powerful enough boots. I know my Guides turn well enough with t4/excursions so, just maybe, it would be cool if I could get something similar out of them with a lighter, better pivoting, nnn bc boot...

Johnny, what boots have you been using?

I have these to use:

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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by Johnny » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:58 am

Very nice boots! They look pretty stiff...

I went from Alaska 75s to Alaska BCs... And for me it was night and day... I now only use the 75's for light XCing, and keep the BCs for pure downhill action. Well, to be honest, since last season, I use the new Alfa Guard Advance for almost everything...

But tell me, you don't like your Alaska BC? You seem to enjoy them a lot in your 10th MTN vids... 8-)
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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by Lo-Fi » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:40 pm

I only had the Alpina Alaskas as demos for a couple of days and did that vid at the time.

Thanks for all the info. I'm now intrigued by those Alfas.

My next step is to take the switchbacks off my guide skis and mount the nnn bc bindings, and then go for a ski.

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Re: Karhu Guide / Madshus Annum + NNN BC ?!

Post by Johnny » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:08 pm

There is no turning back once you find the secret of NNN Downhill. All you need is to refine your technique and your heels will be free for real... For life... I haven't used cable in years, no matter the terrain...

Please share your NNN adventures here... And keep those vids coming! 8-)
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