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Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:39 am
by bgregoire
Rodbelan wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:32 am
You can't have the butter and the cul de la crémière...
Nicely put. I will take the butter any day.

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:04 pm
by fisheater
Woods if you’re booting out out with the Rabb and Alaskas you are definately core. No further confirmation is required. You’re probably beyond core, the cool folks don’t even have a for your level of skiing Nirvana.
I on the other hand am not booting out on a more narrow Falketind, and a stiffer Ski March boot. I can only pay homage to your “core ness”.

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:59 pm
by lowangle al
Maybe Bob you are keeping your skis more in the fall line where they will be flater (and faster) and maybe Woods is sideslipping ;) Maybe you're the "core" one.

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:28 pm
by Johnny
Aaaahhhhh....! That brings back a lot of good memories...!
I was a boot out king myself... Even with V-Risers... I used to make my own risers with 2x4 planks...

But hey, that was before I discovered the NNN-BC truth... You can carve like crazy with NNN, or ski the steepest slopes without any problem...

75mm is so passé... :lol:

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:26 pm
by Woodserson
In my own mind, I am core. But Fish led me down this road of FT's, so he is the coreness at center of my core. LowAl's voice is in my head every turn-- "keep those feet further apart! transition across the fall line, not down it!"

EDIT: Actually, Fish... if you're not FALLING and booting out then you are actually MORE CORE because you've got it going on and you're dialed in. Sooooooo.... it sounds like you're bragging about your coreness and as such, the pedestal is still yours!

I am definitely skidding some of my turns when I'm booting out, Al's correct there, now I'll have more of this voice in my head.

Gddmm you guys!

Update: much better today with 10mm rise. Really happy with it!

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:11 pm
by lowangle al
I wasn't going to say it Woods, but since you brought it up. The other reason you may be booting out is that your knees are too close together. :) :)

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:41 pm
by lilcliffy
Thanks Woods for your update and reports on this thread-

I still prefer no riser on a Nordic touring ski less than 70mm on soft BC snow-

However- I can certainly see the benefits of a riser on a narrow ski when downhill skiing on consolidated snow (I assume that this is the reason Crister had the 3-pin Traverse on his FT62?)

Although I understand- and agree- with the principle and benefits of a wider (i.e. hip/shoulder-width) stance- I do not understand how a wider stance would lead to a less aggressive edging angle- and therefore, less chance for "booting out"- than a narrow stance where the skis are close together in the turn...

Please explain! :oops: :?:

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:00 pm
by Cannatonic
Asnes Ingstad...Rottefella Super Telemark works great for me. no hablo riser.

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:37 pm
by lowangle al
lilcliffy wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:41 pm


Although I understand- and agree- with the principle and benefits of a wider (i.e. hip/shoulder-width) stance- I do not understand how a wider stance would lead to a less aggressive edging angle- and therefore, less chance for "booting out"- than a narrow stance where the skis are close together in the turn...

Please explain! :oops: :?:
I think that with a wider the stance with both skis weighted it will make it harder to get your skis on a high angle, which causes boot out.

Re: narrow xcd skis- to mount a riser or not- that is the question

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:59 pm
by lilcliffy
Oh- so you are talking about balance then? Meaning that a narrow stance leads to "boot out" because of loss of balance?