Rabb 68 Questions: Boots, Waxing, and Skins

[lilcliffy]

I decided to go voile cable straight to ski. Took a while to make that decision. I also mounted pins 2 cm forward of the balance point. My size 46 alaskas looked a bit too far back.

I can't remember (and can't see with the binding on)- curious- is there a boot center mark on the Rabb?

I look forward to comparing these against my current skis: Karhu Guides (3-pin hardwire CRB) and Rossi BC90s with voile cable.

Very cool- looking forward to your comparison!

[Manney]

I don’t ski steep terrain and very little hills in my backyard so I don’t want to fiddle with skins.

I am 6,1 and 210-215 pounds and I wonder if I have too much weight on the back of my skis and that renders them harder to turn?

You’re asking a lot of the Rabb. It’s a DH oriented ski (Asnes uses words like “slope”, “mountain”, “descent”, “steep”, “demanding terrain” in the product description).

Small surface area relative to your body weight. Not an issue on a hill. Slope provides the speed. On the flats or gentle slope, low soft camber, considerable side cut can work against you. Narrow center section of the ski presses down flatter than a pancake. Nose and tail edges of skis dig, resist as you try to rotate (not carve, which requires speed and turning to put the ski on edge without falling over). Tele turn involves a degree of edging and slope too. Along with weighting. Slope needed for that too.

The Rabb probably isn’t working based on a few factors. Wrong context, maybe at the edge of its bearing weight capacity. Asnes doesn’t list weight for its DH oriented skis. But weight may not be a critical factor on the steeps.

The weight, heaight thing is something I’ve been looking at in another thread. No firm conclusions or deep insights. Just running the numbers.

https://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic. ... =40#p59733

Asnes doesn’t list weight range for the Rabb. The skis with weight ratings go to 90+ or 95+ kilograms. That doesn’t mean they extend to infinity. Most of the Asnes line seems tops out at about 200-215#. Loss of performance after that? Likely.

Need to run numbers for other ski makers. See if this is an industry thing. My guess is that it is something like that.

[Nitram Tocrut]

I don’t ski steep terrain and very little hills in my backyard so I don’t want to fiddle with skins.

I am 6,1 and 210-215 pounds and I wonder if I have too much weight on the back of my skis and that renders them harder to turn?

You’re asking a lot of the Rabb. It’s a DH oriented ski (Asnes uses words like “slope”, “mountain”, “descent”, “steep”, “demanding terrain” in the product description).

Small surface area relative to your body weight. Not an issue on a hill. Slope provides the speed. On the flats or gentle slope, low soft camber, considerable side cut can work against you. Narrow center section of the ski presses down flatter than a pancake. Nose and tail edges of skis dig, resist as you try to rotate (not carve, which requires speed and turning to put the ski on edge without falling over). Tele turn involves a degree of edging and slope too. Along with weighting. Slope needed for that too.

The Rabb probably isn’t working based on a few factors. Wrong context, maybe at the edge of its bearing weight capacity. Asnes doesn’t list weight for its DH oriented skis. But weight may not be a critical factor on the steeps.

The weight, heaight thing is something I’ve been looking at in another thread. No firm conclusions or deep insights. Just running the numbers.

https://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic. ... =40#p59733

Asnes doesn’t list weight range for the Rabb. The skis with weight ratings go to 90+ or 95+ kilograms. That doesn’t mean they extend to infinity. Most of the Asnes line seems tops out at about 200-215#. Loss of performance after that? Likely.

Need to run numbers for other ski makers. See if this is an industry thing. My guess is that it is something like that.

In a few words... total weight is not the factor. I was talking about weight distribution. But the eel thing is that I am not good enough Just wondering if the weight is shifted forward that will have an impact on how easy I can "control" the skis.

[Manney]

Your Rabb is being used at its maximum weight capacity. Fully compressed by your weight. Reality is that the ski doesn’t have much camber anyway, typical of DH oriented skis. Moving the mounting point won’t change this. It will still be fully compressed on the flats. Ski is ~flat. Ground is ~flat. Skier weight is enough to fully compress the ski to the surface.

Compare this to a more cambered Xc/bc ski with some capacity to spare. Moving the binding changes where the pocket will be when skier weight is applied. There’s still a pocket. It might be 1/32nd inch above the snow when skier weight is applied equally to both skis, but it’s still there. So moving the binding mounting point determines how much weight the skier applies ahead, behind the pocket.

[Salto]

Went resort skiing instead this weekend, but get to try on a short hit trip this coming week.

@lilcliffy , no markings at all in the Rabb 68. Balance points of skis were about 1/4 inch different.

Here are some pics comparing my other xcd skis. Again I mounted pins 2 cm forward of balance point due to my large boots. All my mounts in last 10 years are on touring tele skis boot center to ski center mark, so pins on bp is a throwback.

The Rossi bc90’s are pins to ski center mark. I can’t remember how I mounted the guides 15 years ago, but appear somewhere between boot center and pins on center. No idea about the e99s.