Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 5123 Location: Mammoth Lakes (sometimes)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject:
chemman wrote:
French For Cant Tele wrote:
risk.reduction wrote:
Quote:
there wouldn't have been any death if he hadn't been carrying a gun.
What if Mr. Martin continued to pound Mr. Zimmerman's head into the ground until he hemmoraged to death?
Zimmerman chased the kid down after the kid ran away from him, got his ass kicked and instead of covering up and yelling for help or pistol whipping the kid or shooting the kid in the leg he shot an unarmed kid who was smaller than him center mass.
We all have the 2nd amendment right to have a weapon, there is no right to use that weapon to kill someone just because they are kicking your ass. Once again, according to Zimmerman's 911 call the kid ran away from him before Zimmerman caught up to him again. It doesn't seem like a stretch to think that the kid was afraid of him. Maybe he did jump Zimmerman after this armed guy tracked him down, can you blame him?
What kind of coward shoots an unarmed 17 year old? So what if you are getting your ass kicked, you are in the middle of suburbia, the cops have been called, and you have a fukkin gun, what a cowardly bitch.
So if you are packing and some dude decides to beat your ass at what point do you decide, Humm I think the next one will be the coup de grāce, I better blow his brains out right umm umm umm... NOW bang!
Honestly if I'm packing and some jack ass cracks me in the head, I'm gonna pop a cap in his ass right now.
Holy crap these crackers just soak this soup right up. It takes a lot to kill a man with your hands, just look at the MMA, and Zimmerman was fighting well under his weight class. _________________
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:05 am Post subject:
Hey a 9mm does not make a nice club. If you take the only witness at his word the assailant was going for the weapon too. If you can get your hands on it first, what do you do? Start whaling on him with it? Or take the safety off and point it away from yourself and pull the trigger? Of course the assailant has his other hand holding your battered head firmly on the concrete. Humm _________________ Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison.
BF's French lady.
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 5934 Location: Flying over the Earth poisoning you with chemtrails
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject:
French For Cant Tele wrote:
chemman wrote:
French For Cant Tele wrote:
risk.reduction wrote:
Quote:
there wouldn't have been any death if he hadn't been carrying a gun.
What if Mr. Martin continued to pound Mr. Zimmerman's head into the ground until he hemmoraged to death?
Zimmerman chased the kid down after the kid ran away from him, got his ass kicked and instead of covering up and yelling for help or pistol whipping the kid or shooting the kid in the leg he shot an unarmed kid who was smaller than him center mass.
We all have the 2nd amendment right to have a weapon, there is no right to use that weapon to kill someone just because they are kicking your ass. Once again, according to Zimmerman's 911 call the kid ran away from him before Zimmerman caught up to him again. It doesn't seem like a stretch to think that the kid was afraid of him. Maybe he did jump Zimmerman after this armed guy tracked him down, can you blame him?
What kind of coward shoots an unarmed 17 year old? So what if you are getting your ass kicked, you are in the middle of suburbia, the cops have been called, and you have a fukkin gun, what a cowardly bitch.
So if you are packing and some dude decides to beat your ass at what point do you decide, Humm I think the next one will be the coup de grāce, I better blow his brains out right umm umm umm... NOW bang!
Honestly if I'm packing and some jack ass cracks me in the head, I'm gonna pop a cap in his ass right now.
Holy crap these crackers just soak this soup right up. It takes a lot to kill a man with your hands, just look at the MMA, and Zimmerman was fighting well under his weight class.
Al, you seem to think kids these days are good and innocent, these days they are not.
Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 5123 Location: Mammoth Lakes (sometimes)
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject:
chemman wrote:
French For Cant Tele wrote:
chemman wrote:
French For Cant Tele wrote:
risk.reduction wrote:
Quote:
there wouldn't have been any death if he hadn't been carrying a gun.
What if Mr. Martin continued to pound Mr. Zimmerman's head into the ground until he hemmoraged to death?
Zimmerman chased the kid down after the kid ran away from him, got his ass kicked and instead of covering up and yelling for help or pistol whipping the kid or shooting the kid in the leg he shot an unarmed kid who was smaller than him center mass.
We all have the 2nd amendment right to have a weapon, there is no right to use that weapon to kill someone just because they are kicking your ass. Once again, according to Zimmerman's 911 call the kid ran away from him before Zimmerman caught up to him again. It doesn't seem like a stretch to think that the kid was afraid of him. Maybe he did jump Zimmerman after this armed guy tracked him down, can you blame him?
What kind of coward shoots an unarmed 17 year old? So what if you are getting your ass kicked, you are in the middle of suburbia, the cops have been called, and you have a fukkin gun, what a cowardly bitch.
So if you are packing and some dude decides to beat your ass at what point do you decide, Humm I think the next one will be the coup de grāce, I better blow his brains out right umm umm umm... NOW bang!
Honestly if I'm packing and some jack ass cracks me in the head, I'm gonna pop a cap in his ass right now.
Holy crap these crackers just soak this soup right up. It takes a lot to kill a man with your hands, just look at the MMA, and Zimmerman was fighting well under his weight class.
Al, you seem to think kids these days are good and innocent, these days they are not.
Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 7012 Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject:
French For Cant Tele wrote:
It takes a lot to kill a man with your hands, just look at the MMA, and Zimmerman was fighting well under his weight class.
You really should stick to what you know whatever that is. If it were not for the refs a lot of people would get choked to death in MMA. I would bet you that most MMA fighters could kill an average person inside of 3 minutes even if they were out weighed by 50 pounds.
Like most here almost everything in your posts is pure speculation but you sure come up with a lot of conclusions.
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 5934 Location: Flying over the Earth poisoning you with chemtrails
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject:
Personally I think if you have school age kids these days they probably need a beating. Not a blood letting but a good firm whipping, with a paddle or a leather belt.
If you have a well behaved child good for you! You should be commended. I would guess if Travon was a good kid he would not be pushing daisies right now. _________________ Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison.
BF's French lady.
Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 5123 Location: Mammoth Lakes (sometimes)
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject:
James wrote:
French For Cant Tele wrote:
It takes a lot to kill a man with your hands, just look at the MMA, and Zimmerman was fighting well under his weight class.
You really should stick to what you know whatever that is. If it were not for the refs a lot of people would get choked to death in MMA. I would bet you that most MMA fighters could kill an average person inside of 3 minutes even if they were out weighed by 50 pounds.
Like most here almost everything in your posts is pure speculation but you sure come up with a lot of conclusions.
Zimmerman would have had help in less than a minute, he was in the middle of a suburban street and Martin was not an MMA fighter. Take a look at the number of calls that were made to 9-11 about the gunshot (who then say they are staying indoors because of the gunshot). There have been no deaths in the history of the MMA and there were plenty of referees in the surrounding houses who could have stopped the fight. There are street fights every day and a 1 on 1 street fight rarely results in death. I would have to think that a very strong majority of American men got into at least one fight in high school, and a high schooler was exactly what Zimmerman faced. The big problem with high school fights now is when some chickenshit brings and uses a gun because he can't deal with having his ass kicked.
I don't really know that much about what happened but I do feel that Zimmerman escalated the situation unnecessarily at a few different points. First where he saw a black kid walking he jumped to the conclusion that he was a criminal and called 911, then when the kid ran he followed him despite directions from 911 not to, when he again confronted or when he was confronted by Martin and didn't back away (there was no crime to stop him for), when he engaged in the fight, when he pulled the gun rather than cover up, when he took the lethal rather than wounding shot.
He wasn't facing some sort of supervillain with the ability of instant death he was facing a high school junior with a bag of skittles, his lack of courage might have made him feel like he was facing something else. _________________
Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 5123 Location: Mammoth Lakes (sometimes)
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject:
chemman wrote:
Personally I think if you have school age kids these days they probably need a beating. Not a blood letting but a good firm whipping, with a paddle or a leather belt.
If you have a well behaved child good for you! You should be commended. I would guess if Travon was a good kid he would not be pushing daisies right now.
Whether or not Treyvon was a good kid or not is immaterial, that is like using the "she's a slut" defense for rape.
What does matter is that there was no crime witnessed, Martin ran away, Zimmerman followed etc... Zimmerman's behavior was weird and he escalated things beyond his ability to deal with when there was absolutely no reason to have done so. _________________
Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 7012 Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject:
Follow along with what? Your posts make no sense.
You infer Zimmerman was just some random guy packing heat and chasing people for no reason. Why was he packing? Why was he out patrolling the area? What were his responsibilities while he was patrolling the area?
You speculate that many people could of broken up the fight but in reality none did. You claim Zimmerman would of had help in less then a minute. How do you or better yet how does Zimmerman know this. How long would it take to maim or kill someone when they are smashing their fore arm in to your face and bashing your head in to the ground. It is funny you bring up the MMA. Do you know what the witnesses described to the police?
Bottom line, I have no idea exactly what happened and if what Zimmerman did was justified. Neither do you but you seem capable of making up a whole bunch of "facts" and forming very strong opinions on something you know little about.
Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 5123 Location: Mammoth Lakes (sometimes)
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject:
James wrote:
Follow along with what? Your posts make no sense.
You infer Zimmerman was just some random guy packing heat and chasing people for no reason. Why was he packing? Why was he out patrolling the area? What were his responsibilities while he was patrolling the area?
You speculate that many people could of broken up the fight but in reality none did. You claim Zimmerman would of had help in less then a minute. How do you or better yet how does Zimmerman know this. How long would it take to maim or kill someone when they are smashing their fore arm in to your face and bashing your head in to the ground. It is funny you bring up the MMA. Do you know what the witnesses described to the police?
Bottom line, I have no idea exactly what happened and if what Zimmerman did was justified. Neither do you but you seem capable of making up a whole bunch of "facts" and forming very strong opinions on something you know little about.
There is no legal standing for somebody holding neighborhood watch, no training, and no screening out of psychos. A neighborhood watch is just a guy and in this case a guy with a gun, he has no more legal standing on a city street than Martin. You ignore most of what I said but the jury is going to listen to the 911 tape where Zimmermann himself says that Martin was running away. _________________
You talkin' to me?
I didn't say nuttin'. _________________ You give us what we want in a week, or we beat the hell out of you and take it anyway.
--Anacreon message, roughly translated by Mayor Hardin
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:09 am Post subject:
I don't know what happened either (I'll let the jury decide that), but the incident could have been avoided. Zimmerman (corrected here!) could have backed off (as instructed) after the initial call, it's likely he could have backed off later and made another call. He chose to confront Martin. Why did he do that? Either because he thought he was superior physically, or he had a gun.
If he was trained and competent, Zimmerman could have defended himself with a less lethal weapon (i.e. nightstick).
Whether or not he shot Martin in self-defense may be important from a legal standpoint, but I think Zimmerman is guilty from a moral standpoint of provoking the incident, and not being prepared for the action he took. _________________ "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts" Earl Weaver
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Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 7012 Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject:
I think you meant to say Zimmerman at the beginning of your second sentence.
I think Zimmerman probably did a few unwise things. I am also personally suspicious of anyone who volunteers for a neighborhood. Add in the fact that he had a gun and I am even more suspicious. The thing is I don't know the details in why he volunteered or why he felt it necessary to carry a gun.
The problem is doing most stupid things is not illegal. So even if Zimmerman chased Martin all over and even if he acted like a racist ass these actions do not give Martin the right to attack Zimmerman and we don't even know for sure who attacked who first.
I could see this type case ending up with a hung jury. There are a lot of people who will think Zimmerman is guilty no matter what the circumstance and some that think the opposite. I wonder how often the DA knows this but tries the case anyway for political reasons.
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