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Bunion
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WTF will happen to Laura if Obama wins in November?
I quake at the thought.
There will be bits of head everywhere.
The reason the Lamestream Media doesn't cover these stores and Breitbart does is this..............
Only F U C King lunatics really believe this is:
A. True
B. Important
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James
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Grant wrote: | | A politician that lies...OMG! They all lie. |
Well said.
| Grant wrote: | | It's really about the size and consequence of their lies that matter. |
Well here is the rub because size and consequence in this case is entirely subjective and heavily influenced by politics.
I did notice how this all politicians lie comment was brought up on this thread and not skifreek's equally absurd Romney police thread. I wonder why.  |
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Laura
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OK, Grant. I get it. All politicians lie. But back in 2008, Obama just didn't lie, the media branded you a raaaaacist for even asking the question.
Obama can't have it both ways. If he wants to lie, fine. Then just deny whatever dirt someone digs up. But you don't get to call someone a raaaaaacist at the same time you're lying. |
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ghostofcarl
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Obama != the media Laura darling |
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Grant
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Laura wrote: | OK, Grant. I get it. All politicians lie. But back in 2008, Obama just didn't lie, the media branded you a raaaaacist for even asking the question.
Obama can't have it both ways. If he wants to lie, fine. Then just deny whatever dirt someone digs up. But you don't get to call someone a raaaaaacist at the same time you're lying. |
Examples, please.
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miked
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Laura, what has president Obama done that you consider socialist?
Do you have any evidence that he wants to take the U.S. in a socialist direction or are you just very very very easily frightened? Some might say paranoid?
Serious questions, from my point of view you seem very worried about something that doesn't seem to have any factual basis. |
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nils
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| miked wrote: | Laura, what has president Obama done that you consider socialist?
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Laura pretends not to see the inherent contradiction between her thread title and her first post in the thread.
At least I hope she's pretending.
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Laura
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| miked wrote: | | Laura, what has president Obama done that you consider socialist? |
Plumber to Obama: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more. Isn’t it?”
Obama: “It’s not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” |
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Baaahb
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Grant wrote: | | A politician that lies...OMG! They all lie. It's really about the size and consequence of their lies that matter. |
Unfortunately, this is true. Except Washington. He never lied (much). But, then again, he wasn't a politician.
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AKDOG
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Laura wrote: | | miked wrote: | | Laura, what has president Obama done that you consider socialist? |
Plumber to Obama: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more. Isn’t it?”
Obama: “It’s not that I want to take away all your entitlements, I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when everyone rows the boat, it’s good for everybody. And if you pay your back child support maybe your ex-wife can get off food stamps too”
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miked
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Laura wrote: | | miked wrote: | | Laura, what has president Obama done that you consider socialist? |
Plumber to Obama: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more. Isn’t it?”
Obama: “It’s not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” |
LOL, Laura, taxing the plumber more isn't socialism. You can read about what socialism is and isn't here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
About Obama's quote, it is taken out of context but nevertheless wasn't a wise thing to say and doesn't sum up his economic policy. Pretty much every expert on both sides of the debate agrees that the current distribution of wealth in the U.S. is skewed very heavily towards the wealthy in the U.S. right now, more so than at any point in our nations history. If you disagree and you feel the current wealth distribution in the U.S. does not need any govt intervention then by all means put your support towards the guy. But calling him a socialist because he wants to raise the plumbers taxes who's making $250K+/year proves that you are either purposefully lying and misleading, or ignorant of what socialism is. |
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Grant
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Laura - are you suggesting that a strong middle class is not health for the economy? Or maybe giving all the money to the 'job creators' is really the best way to ensure that the economy keeps growing.
By your absolutist definitions, if Obama is a socialist, than Romney must be a feudalist.
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chemman
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| Laura wrote: | | miked wrote: | | Laura, what has president Obama done that you consider socialist? |
Plumber to Obama: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more. Isn’t it?”
Obama: “It’s not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” |
So someone has already addressed your comments and debunked them. And all you are doing is parroting John. Read and weep Laura:
| Quote: | The Facts
Sen. Obama had been campaigning outside Toledo, Ohio, on October 12 when he met Joe Wurzelbacher, 34, who works for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small firm in the Toledo area. "I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes $250-270-80 thousand a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax m more, isn't it?"
Obama explained his tax plan during the roughly five-minute exchange - telling Wurzelbacher that the tax rate on the portion of his income that was more than $250,000 would be increased from 36 percent to 39 percent. But he also mentioned that his plan includes a 50 percent small-business tax credit for health care and a proposal to eliminate the capital-gains tax for small businesses that increase in value. Obama said his tax plan, which he said focuses on bigger breaks for people making lower incomes, would be good for the economy. "If you've got a plumbing business, you're going to be better off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you," he said. "Right now, everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody. And I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Wurzelbacher said, "The reason I ask you about the American Dream, I mean I've worked hard. I'm a plumber. I work 10, 12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. ... I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American Dream."
In an interview with CNN on Thursday, October 16, Wurzelbacher said he had misunderstood Obama's plan and that the company he wants to buy makes well less than $250,000 a year - which Obama says means his taxes would not be increased.
The Verdict:
Misleading. McCain's remark was an oversimplification of a five-minute-long conversation. Obama replied in great detail about his tax plan, and the "spread the wealth" remark was one small part of the conversation. |
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skifreeK
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| Grant wrote: | | ...are you suggesting that a strong middle class is not health(y) for the economy? .... |
The larger point is that America can no longer afford to support a middle class. They cost too much in terms of the level wages & benefits required to maintain a middle class lifestyle.
We're just going to have to learn to scale back and appreciate the benefits of increasing the number of Americans living closer to the bone.
Don't be fooled by graphs like the one above. The middle class was doing just fine on the money they were making in the early 1970's. Just because productivity has risen is no reason to argue that wages should, too. Those profits belong to those who really earned them and that's the people who hired the people who did the work. It's not rocket science.
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