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chugach001
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 Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: Wisconsin - how big of a deal? |
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Fox is raging about how this issue sets the stage for the Presidential Race - fiscal conservatives against the gluttonous swine of big gov't.
MSNBC barely mentions the vote and harps that Romney would not take the state were the election held today.
Does this add up to a hill of bacon? |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Wisconsin - how big of a deal? |
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| chugach001 wrote: | | Does this add up to a hill of bacon? |
The republic is finished.
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chemman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Wisconsin - how big of a deal? |
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| twopass wrote: | | chugach001 wrote: | | Does this add up to a hill of bacon? |
The republic is finished. |
Bush is back in town...
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Baaahb
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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good question, chugach.
when people go to the polls, they often are making very fine distinctions between close choices. it is the role of the MSM to exaggerate this into dramatic cataclysms
screw the MSM. I despise them more and more everyday
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Baaahb wrote: | good question, chugach.
when people go to the polls, they often are making very fine distinctions between close choices. it is the role of the MSM to exaggerate this into dramatic cataclysms
screw the MSM. I despise them more and more everyday |
Yeah, riiiiight. As if anyone believes that had this gone the other way, you wouldn't be in here crowing. Please. |
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satsuma
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I think the main thing it shows is that unions don't have the power to influence elections that they used to. Beyond that, who knows.
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ghostofcarl
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Baaahb wrote: | | when people go to the polls, they often are making very fine distinctions between close choices. |
people who debate politics on the internet do. most people don't care |
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Winners spent $8 to $1 ..$$$ wins again ! 
"Mr. Walker, who raised millions of dollars from conservative donors outside the state, had a strong financial advantage, in part because a quirk in state law allowed him months of unlimited fund-raising, from the time the recall challenge was mounted to when the election was officially called. As of late last month, about $45.6 million had been spent on behalf of Mr. Walker, compared with about $17.9 million for Mr. Barrett, according to data from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, a nonpartisan group that tracks spending."
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twopass
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Wisconsin - how big of a deal? |
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| chemman wrote: | | twopass wrote: | | chugach001 wrote: | | Does this add up to a hill of bacon? |
The republic is finished. |
Bush is back in town... |
Obummer don't need the specter of Bush to do evil just fine by himself thank you very much.
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| vdrifter11 wrote: | Winners spent $8 to $1 ..$$$ wins again !
"about $45.6 million had been spent on behalf of Mr. Walker, compared with about $17.9 million for Mr. Barrett," |
BREAKING: David Koch wins the Wisconsin Governor's Recall Election.
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chugach001
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| vdrifter11 wrote: | Winners spent $8 to $1 ..$$$ wins again !
"Mr. Walker, who raised millions of dollars from conservative donors outside the state, had a strong financial advantage, in part because a quirk in state law allowed him months of unlimited fund-raising, from the time the recall challenge was mounted to when the election was officially called. As of late last month, about $45.6 million had been spent on behalf of Mr. Walker, compared with about $17.9 million for Mr. Barrett, according to data from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, a nonpartisan group that tracks spending." |
So why didn't the unions feel this was an issue worth investing in? We all know that have the money. Was the ROI on forced union participation only worth around $18mm? There's a shit-ton of hype but obviously Obama, the Dem machine nor hollywood donors saw an issue worth fighting for here. Is that because it's a losing issue or because they hate unions?
More than Scott Walker, the $Billion-Dollar Dem machine snubbing them may be the real gut punch to unions.
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chugach001
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Hold on, So Walker raised 350% more money from his state constituents than the other guy? $10mm in Wisconsin vs less than $3mm in Wisconsin for the other guy? Wow, he must be a mighty popular Governor. |
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stevesliva
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| chugach001 wrote: | | Wow, he must be a mighty popular Governor. |
I wouldn't be surprised if the people who voted for him ended up liking him more. It's probably a hard road to convince people that voted for the guy to do exactly this sort of thing that the guy simply pursued his policies too vehemently, so you should vote contrary to your initial vote, and basically endorse the opposite of what you voted for in the first place. The whole fight against him has been has more chance of finding previously apathetic people to vote against him than it does in changing many minds. |
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chemman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| chugach001 wrote: | | twopass wrote: | |
Hold on, So Walker raised 350% more money from his state constituents than the other guy? $10mm in Wisconsin vs less than $3mm in Wisconsin for the other guy? Wow, he must be a mighty popular Governor. |
Well then there is the rest of the story:
| Quote: | $63.5 million: The minimum amount spent by both sides in the recall
70 percent: How much more expensive the governor's recall election is than the state's second-most expensive race (the 2010 gubernatorial campaign)
$30.5 million: Amount raised by Walker to fight off the recall effort
$3.9 million: Amount raised by his challenger, Tom Barrett, the Democratic mayor of Milwaukee
About 2/3: Proportion of Walker's donations that have come from donors outside Wisconsin
About 1/4: Proportion of Barrett's donations that have come from donors outside Wisconsin
Unlimited: Maximum individual donation Walker may accept under state law
$10,000: Maximum individual donation Barrett may accept under state law
$16.3 million: Amount spent by pro-Walker independent expenditure groups, which have invested $22 million in the Wisconsin recall
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Some of the biggest contributions and expenditures in support of Walker:
• $510,000 to Walker from Diane Hendricks, Wisconsin's richest businesswoman and a member of Charles and David Koch's million-dollar donor club
• $490,000 to Walker from Bob Perry, a Houston homebuilder who with his wife has spent more than $8 million on the 2012 elections
• $260,000 to Walker from David Humphreys, a member of the Kochs' million-dollar donor club
• $250,000 to Walker from former Amway CEO Dick DeVos of Michigan, a member of the Kochs' million-dollar donor club
• $250,000 to Walker from Las Vegas casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who with his wife has spent more than $25 million on the 2012 elections
• $100,000 to Walker from Wyoming investor Foster Friess, a member of the Kochs' million-dollar donor club
• $100,000 to Walker from New York billionaire Louis Bacon, a media-shy hedge-fund trader
• $100,000 to Walker from Dallas oil and gas billionaire Trevor Rees-Jones
• $6.5 million on ads spent by Americans for Prosperity, Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce, and the anti-labor Center for Union Facts
• $4 million on ads spent by the Republican Governors Association's Right Direction Wisconsin PAC; only about $7,000 was raised in-state. The RGA got $1 million from David Koch in February. It's also received $500,000 from the US Chamber of Commerce |
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