[tree7sheep]

Hey there ,

here are some links to ones i have found so far:


Mountain Hardware Compressor PL Pant (120 gram Primaloft Eco)

http://www.backcountry.com/mountain-hardwear-compressor-pl-pant-mens?cmp_id=&rrType=ClickCP&rrProd=MHW1316


Arc'teryx Kappa AR Pant ( 200 grams Primaloft Sport)

http://www.backcountry.com/arcteryx-kappa-ar-insulated-pant-mens

Things i look for :

Full side zips , for getting them over my softshell touring pants
without taking boots off.
Wide adjustable cuffs to fit over Plastic Tele boots.
Higher waist in the back.
Elastic and / or velcro adjustable waist. Suspenders ok .
Artikulated knees.
Durable enough and quiet fabric , to prevent ripping but still
be fairly easily packable.
Water resistant DWR or windstopper .

Be using them for added warmth during lunch breaks.
Added warmth while in sleeping bag /tent/snowcave/
snow-winter camp.

The warmer the better :
Are there any more pants with 200 grams of insulation or more ?
Synthetic only. Primaloft , qualofill , polarquard etc.

I have in the past used a TNF polartec 200 fleece bib to fill the campinsulation duty for the legs.
But this doesn't work for lunch breaks.
As one has to remove boots , jacket , shell pants ...

Anyone have some tips or experiences?

Thanks a bunch

[edgeworker]

I swear by primaloft. The compresser pant would be a good choice.
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[SMO]

Any of the synthetic pants you list above will be warmer, lighter & more packable than TNF 200w fleece plants. I had a pair of Patagonia puffball pants that were great but I'm not sure if they still make them anymore. If you are a weight weenie Montbell makes some too:

http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=75&p_id=2301407

[blob]

The compressor is basically the old chugach pant, which as been around for a decade and a half if not longer. Great simple design, tough in all the right places, all the features you need, none you don't, and gets the job done. That's my vote.

[tree7sheep]

Thanks , for the replies.

[randosteve]

i have some kappa ar's...and they are VERY warm!!! if you wore these to bed at night when winter camping, you could probably get away with a summer weight sleeping bag....if it was roomy enough...a key factor. there are lighter puffy pants out there, but the kappa ar's are wicked warm and have some good weather resistance. i like puffy pants when winter camping.

Full side zips , for getting them over my softshell touring pants
without taking boots off.

yes...full side zips on each side.

Wide adjustable cuffs to fit over Plastic Tele boots.

yes...with shock cord adjustable closure.

Higher waist in the back.

nope.

Elastic and / or velcro adjustable waist. Suspenders ok .

yes...and adjustable belt on both sides...l/r.

Artikulated knees.

a little.

Durable enough and quiet fabric , to prevent ripping but still
be fairly easily packable.

it's windstopper...so rather durable and quite. no ripstop...but soft and packs well.

Water resistant DWR or windstopper .

windstopper.
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[tOMfLOUNDER]

i just got MH compressors, a size L, which for me is to go on as an outside layer for rests ect., makes the waist high enough for good overlap too. BC.com had them on sale, they've got the marmot "fury" has softshell re-enforcements, suspenders,velcro tabs and looks a lot tougher, like it's meant to be worn as a last layer for cold conditions, 1lb 8oz, prob doesn't pack as small though. I might just pull the trigger on some FF down pants if the itinerary can justify it .

Good hunting, tOM

[ghostofcarl]

Patagonia Micro-puff pants are nice. MEC (www.mec.ca) used to have some decent insulated pants as well under their house label but aren't listed currently on the website .

MEC also has reasonable shipping to Europe, unlike Backcountry.com which sucks for rates, and won't ship brands like Mountain Hardwear anyways.

[ronco]

A couple more options from Integral Designs...

These look pretty nice...
http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_detail.cfm?id=818


lighter but no side zips...
http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_detail.cfm?id=831

[slobmonster]

I have a pair of Marmot Flurry pants

http://www.marmotmountain.com/MMWmain.asp?Option=Detail&StyleID=10007658

and they might very well fit the bill. Warm!

[AmHes]

If getting the lightest and warmest troos is not a high priority... then you could see what Craft, Future and some other XC-skiing clothes manufactorers have to offer.

After all, quite a few racers use these "warming" pants before the comp... full sidezips so they can take 'em off with the skis on foot and so on..

[wfinley]

I have the Integral Designs / full zip. They're comfy & warm -- and I've spent a couple nights with just the puffy pants / puffy coat and bivy sack. My wife has the Western Mountaineering Flight Pants and she too has spent a night out with pants / jacket / bivy and was warm enough.

Personally if I had it to do over I'd get down pants. The synthetic pants are just heavy enough to where you debate bringing them. The down pants weigh 11 oz (ID pants are 20 oz) and pack to half the size. (This theory was recently tested. On a route I thought my pants were too heavy - but my wife didn't think her pants were. I left my pants at high camp - she brought her pants. We bivied and I envied her pants all night.)

Down pants are not going to be as water resistant -- but if it's so cold you need puffy pants then you won't be getting wet.

[televisionary]

[bogon]

edited to remove nonsense that resulted from "google shopping" un-cooperation

Primaloft One is not the most durable insulation (they say 6 months to 1 year and it's flat). Only Thermic Micro insulated Compressor pants are made now, but the reviews are mixed on them w.r.t. durability. Plus their insulating value is worse than PL1. Plus I see none on sale.

Any Climashield-insulated alternatives?
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