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gdaut
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Transmit only beacons are not new. Nor are they useless or dangerous. They are tools that have appropriate and inappropriate uses.
The writer of the article at that link is, frankly, an idiot. He does know how to use bold, and italics and caps, though. And different fonts. And to say over and over that the beacon has no search mode. And over. And over again. His readers must have a short attention span. |
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televisionary
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| gdaut wrote: | | Transmit only beacons are not new. Nor are they useless or dangerous. They are tools that have appropriate and inappropriate uses. |
What are the appropriate uses?
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bobbo7915
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| this has to be one of the most ridiculous products ever to come to market. at least on the website for the product it states it is not for backcountry use....but STILL, worst idea ever for a product |
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Grant
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| gdaut wrote: | | Transmit only beacons are not new. Nor are they useless or dangerous. They are tools that have appropriate and inappropriate uses. |
I'll add the adjective 'limited' to the description of uses. Good for dogs or equipment. Bad for people (other than small children).
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| my favorite comment on this article was : "at least you always get to drop first" |
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Is it marketed as a transceiver? If no, then it's ignorance that is the issue. |
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televisionary
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Grant wrote: | | gdaut wrote: | | Transmit only beacons are not new. Nor are they useless or dangerous. They are tools that have appropriate and inappropriate uses. |
I'll add the adjective 'limited' to the description of uses. Good for dogs or equipment. Bad for people (other than small children). |
The website doesn't give any caveats. In fact it says:
| Quote: | Question: Who should carry a transmitter (snow-be)?
Answer: Anyone can and, given the potentially fatal nature of being caught in an avalanche, everyone should carry a transmitter (snow-be). |
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stinkymonday
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| heyyou wrote: | | Is it marketed as a transceiver? If no, then it's ignorance that is the issue. |
They have done a lot of backtracking on the website. It was originally marketed simply as "affordable mountain safety" with the transmit-only info relegated to a single sentence buried in the product description. There was no talk of resort-only. When questioned on their FB page, their response was (paraphrasing) that rescues should be left to the experienced guide who should be with your group. All of that has been deleted now, and their product web page is much more upfront about the limitations. |
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televisionary
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: |
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More comedy gold from the website's FAQ:
| Quote: | Question: If I carry a transmitter, do I need to carry a receiver?
Answer: No, the transmitter (snow-be) is a stand-alone unit.
Question: If I only carry a transmitter (snow-be) am I just being selfish?
Answer: No. If you are not capable of being involved in a rescue or, with your presence you put yourself or others at greater risk because of your involvement including delaying the rescue, it may safer for all if you move away from an incident to a place of safety. |
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gdaut
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| televisionary wrote: | | gdaut wrote: | | Transmit only beacons are not new. Nor are they useless or dangerous. They are tools that have appropriate and inappropriate uses. |
What are the appropriate uses? |
For guided groups, where the clients do not know how to search. Anywhere a RECCO reflector is useful, and more since the RECCO search things are harder to carry than a full featured beacon. This is not a new idea - transmit only beacons have been around for a while.
I would not use it on equipment or dogs. Much as I loved my dog, and do not want to lose my skis, I would want my partner to search for me, not my dog or skis. Although I suppose if I was skiing alone with my dog, it would be OK. |
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televisionary
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| gdaut wrote: | | televisionary wrote: | | gdaut wrote: | | Transmit only beacons are not new. Nor are they useless or dangerous. They are tools that have appropriate and inappropriate uses. |
What are the appropriate uses? |
For guided groups, where the clients do not know how to search. |
Because guides never get buried or need help searching?
A real problem with this POS is the way it's marketed.
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Some companies get too full of themselves and their product (merit, if any, notwithstanding) turns into a lawsuit special...
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| televisionary wrote: | | gdaut wrote: | | Transmit only beacons are not new. Nor are they useless or dangerous. They are tools that have appropriate and inappropriate uses. |
What are the appropriate uses? |
dogs and equipment. But it really needs to be a different freq or something so people are dug out first.
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