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Gap Year before college - any ideas?
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Telyahnow2*



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was afraid I'd get no responses!

He does want to be away from home.
He doesn't want to be far from his girlfriend.

He has no car.
1 ski season without money may help him a lot.

I see a kid who is scared of the dedication that it takes to study in college, scared of spending the amounts of money it takes to go to college and possibly having a not so good paying job when he gets out then becoming an overweight balding person stuck in an office.
Who can blame him.

I think he may just need to take a breather.

We helped him pick a school with enough choices to change his mind instead of being stuck where that isn't easy to do.

I also see him changing his mind on his major. Fine with me.

I was young when I went and it cost a year or so of college at least because of that. Who knows if a gap year would have helped or not.
Grades like a C, E and a W were not very pretty letters to get.
Luckily college was quite a bit cheaper then.
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Laura



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Gap Year before college - any ideas? Reply with quote

Sugarloafer wrote:
miked wrote:
A perfect "bridge year" would be one in which he fully supports himself financially for a year. If he can do it doing one of the above then great. And I mean fully supports himself. No car, healthcare, food, clothes, trips home, etc. At the end of that year he'll have a full understanding of why people go to college and the maturity to succeed, isn't that the point of the bridge year?


I can't believe I'm posting this, but I actually agree with this nitwit that whatever the kid does, if he's not in school he should be on his own nickel.


Ditto. I was surprised to find myself agreeing with miked too. But it is easier said than done. After all, many of these kids have helicopter parents and these type of parents may never want to let go.
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NoOneInParticular



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he could get residency in the state he plans to go to college in.

you could research if it makes sense for him to be considered "independent" for loans and federal assistance.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Telyahnow2* wrote:

He does want to be away from home.
He doesn't want to be far from his girlfriend.


ummm...... there is the 'crux' of his indecision, all due respect to 'home' life.
I take it she is younger?
Community college for a 'bridge year' near home for some generals until she dumps him? Wink

Or some good local 'factory work' (if it exists) to open his eyes to his baby daddy future possibilities.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the armed services isn't his bag, then may I suggest a trade? Seriously. Think about it. While he may not see it, it is a perfect fit for his stated goals as you have presented them.
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ghostofcarl



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugarloafer wrote:
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Take off, go ski, bang some chicks and go wild.


Willy.....I'm sure you'd agree that this is WHY some of us went to college ! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Good points.


kinda obvious you 'tards didn't do so good on the 'learnin
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a bridge year can be great, as it is better than going to college because "you are supposed too". As others have said, a key component is learning to be self sufficient. I see so many ski bum kids who's parents are just helping out too much. Parents paying for health insurance is one thing, buying gas and food is another.

If a kid is not sure about college, then a year to figure out the real world and what they may want to do is great. Why spend 40k to 100k for a education with no final goal or ability to pay off loans. I see so many people with $40k in debt after going to college, but never really had a plan, and then the loans are crippling them. Why not get a decent trade job. They pay better than most lib arts type majors anyways.

Regarding what to do for that year - maybe find a job doing something he could find interesting, yet will teach the value (and cost) of taking care of himself. He could look for a summer position doing trail work, etc for the state and USFS. Another option would be to try and work for a green builder learning a trade and doing something he finds interesting.

If HE has savings, I do recommend traveling on the cheap for a portion of the time as well. I traveling around the US by train at one point, and learned a ton about what I wanted in life during the process. You do need some FUN after all. Seeing a third world country can be very eye opening as well.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghostofcarl wrote:
Sugarloafer wrote:
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Take off, go ski, bang some chicks and go wild.


Willy.....I'm sure you'd agree that this is WHY some of us went to college ! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Good points.


kinda obvious you 'tards didn't do so good on the 'learnin


I was one of the few that could do both ! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn him on to Keystone Mountain Biking. See if he can get on building trails with the trail crew he will get a free pass and probably could choose a place near to stay. It won't pay much but could lead to a killer job as a lifty lead job durning the winter. Again won't pay well but is disputably the best position on the mountain. In a year or so sign with the military (Navy or Air Force) get a good trade in computers or something technical he likes, and then a degree. Played right the military will pay the bill.

Kid I know from the front range went to the pacific northwest for college in marine biology. Well he really liked getting away from the parents but managed to pull straight "F"s. Not good for the GPA. He is back on the front range, and in community college. Don't let community college happen to your son, get him some free time.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should get a job. Where he gets it, that's up to him. Typical age to decide whether you want to stick around home or not.

If he stays at home an goes on packaged month-long eco-humanitarian-do-gooder trips that you pay for, I'm not sure how that would help anything.

He could actually get a job as a parimutuel at Saratoga june through labor day... step 1.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keystone job info








MMmmm, DropZone.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Telyahnow2* wrote:

He has no car.
1 ski season without money may help him a lot.


In all honestly its pretty darn hard to get by on a ski town on min wage, no car, etc. I have personal experience with a lot of liftees/instructors. Id say very few of them are doing it without financial support. Better to learn now that skiing is'nt a poor persons sport (its true).

Telyahnow2* wrote:

I see a kid who is scared of the dedication that it takes to study in college, scared of spending the amounts of money it takes to go to college and possibly having a not so good paying job when he gets out then becoming an overweight balding person stuck in an office.
Who can blame him.


Not all who work in offices are overweight. While in college I went to a lot of talks by people with big accomplishments in mountain sports. I was a poor college kid with barely enough money to get to the ski area and here was some middle aged guy talking about bagging peaks all over the continent. I started to realize something, they all had good careers, many in the tech sector. None were organic farmers/ski instructors/etc. They all have enough money and financial management skills/obedience to spend a fair amount of time and money pursuing their dreams.

Of course those were part of a richer generation. Mostly due to decreases in public funding College tuition have skyrocketed in recent years. Its absolutely a fact that kids today will have a very tough time achieving the level of wealth that their parents did. If your kid thinks life is going to be struggle free he's got a lot of growing up to do...
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^

You think those mtn bikers bought the $4,000 worth of gear in those pics with the extra money they earned working in a restaurant or as a liftee in Keystone CO??????????????? Get a life man!
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ghostofcarl



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

miked wrote:
Not all who work in offices are overweight. While in college I went to a lot of talks by people with big accomplishments in mountain sports. I was a poor college kid with barely enough money to get to the ski area and here was some middle aged guy talking about bagging peaks all over the continent. I started to realize something, they all had good careers, many in the tech sector. None were organic farmers/ski instructors/etc. They all have enough money and financial management skills/obedience to spend a fair amount of time and money pursuing their dreams.


When did you go to college miked? Because I'm curious who you can name with "big accomplishments in mountain sports" that has a succesful extra-sports career currently? Yet again it sounds like great advice 20 years ago from the ttips crew
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugarloafer wrote:

I was one of the few that could do both ! Wink


Heh. Yah right. Not a few. Anyone can do it.

Does your arm hurt after you pat yourself on the back like that?
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