[c rad]

I have a pair of replacement skis coming my way and they have given me a choice between the Movement Sluff or Scoop. I was just wondering if people have had a chance to ski both and their thoughts. It would more or less a quiver of 1 for Colorado skiing or deeper days in New England.

I have never skied early tip/tail rise before so the Scoop is intriguing, but I have been slow embrace the new profile shape.

Thanks for any input

[James]

I have a lot of time on the Scoop over the last two years. The Sluff less so.

These are completely different skis. The Scoop is mid radius on the softer side with some mild tip rocker and mild tail rocker with full twin tip so they ski short for their size. They are very easy to ski in all soft conditions and are very light for their size. I don't think they carve very well (especially on hard snow)but are real fun and easy in soft snow, soft bumps and corn snow. They were my spring couloir ski last year and early late rock BC ski. They are a blast until you really open them up and then they just over flex and lose grip. They ski switch as well as any ski I have ever been on. So bottom line the Scoop is a great choice if you are looking for a pivoty soft snow ski that is easy to ski at slow to moderate speeds. The Scoop is the kind of ski on paper and in hand I would scoff at but 95% of the time I ski them they are really fun.

The Sluff is probably the best and most popular ski Movement has ever made. It is a mid to large radius ski on the stiffer side with no rocker or early rise. They are heavier and more of a hard charging ski. They will hold an edge much better but will take a lot of force to flex in to anything other then a very large radius turn. They will plow though crud better but not over it. Unless you get them short they will be a lot more to handle in the bumps. They will take more effort to keep the tips up in powder because of the traditional tip and stiffer flex.. To me the Sluff is the typical modern free ride type ski before rocker became popular. The Sluff is the type of ski that on paper and in hand my ego wants to go to but they will take a little or a lot more focus depending on what you want to do with them.

Fair warning before La Sportiva dropped them I was a "rep" for them but I always try to be objective.

Let me know if you have any more questions. There are a lot of people on he Sluff and you should get more feed back but no so much on the Scoop.

[James]

Here is a post with more comments but not on the Sluff since I don't own it them have enough time on them.

http://telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=78370

While I think the Sluff would be a better choice for most advanced to expert skiers I would not want them because when you get up to that size I would want some tip rocker and I think the Trust is a 100 times better ski but not for a quiver of 1 for most people.

[Elias]

I've enjoyed the Scoop in soft winter snow but would not choose to use it as spring chute ski, where sometimes one can get caught out on a day where the shady snow does not soften. Great ski in crud, mush, wind-affected, etc. as well as powder.

[James]

I got caught a few times last year in harder spring chutes like you describe and did not like the Scoop. This year I am on a more narrow stiff ski that will handle the hardest of snow but when the snow gets a little overly soft or punchy I wish I had my Scoops or even better the Trusts. I don't have enough time out this year to have a preference for the trade off. The narrow stiffer ski is half the weight so that may tilt the balance.

[c rad]

Thanks for the feedback, the sluff looks like it has a rounded tail, is it a full twin tip, some tail rise or flat?

[Chamonix]

I skied the Sluff, back when it was called the
"Goliath". I really liked the ski in big bowls out West, in a 185 length. Even without rocker I had no problem getting it to stay on top in 12 inch fresh storms. Very stable, hard charging ski. They feel like Cadillacs, ski through everything.

Good carving ski on hardpack too with the long edge on the snow. .. well Western groomers getting back to the lifts.

I skied them with 7TM Powers, with my Ener-G tele boot. Great, all day comfort with a release too. I will probably mount them up NTN for next winter.

[James]

Some tail rise.

[Chamonix]

James,

Is the 2012 Sluff, the same as my old Goliaths? No rocker? I really like these older Goliaths (last year before the name change to Sluff) , but then I am old school

[James]

The 2011/2012 Sluff have no rocker but I am not clear on the evolution with the Goliath Sluff and Sluff.

The Goliath was a bigger ski at 108 width. The Trust was the replacement for that ski But IMHO they are not that same other then both are stiff and damp.

So to be clear there was the Goliath Sluff at 99 waist and then the Sluff at 99 waist and the Goliath at 108 waist.

I think the Thunder, Sluff and Goliath are some of the best skis ever make and all ski the same but at different widths.

[Chamonix]

My Goliath are the 99 mm waist; just marked Goliath..great ski

[James]

Interesting and obviously I don't know about that ski. What year are they.

[Chamonix]

2008 I think..

[James]

Do they look anything like this



If not may be Gwen can chime in with more input.

[Chamonix]

here is a picture of my skis, you can see the top sheet a bit..they don't have the word "sluff" like the pair in the picture above.


Goliath ski