General Manager of ski area Z reads post on your site: "patrol looked the other way with a warning to stay off of blah cuz of active grooming".
Yeah, I see this point and agree with it.
But I think it's helpful to aggregate information about resorts that OFFICIALLY allow skinning. E.g., I had no idea that Wildcat allows it during operating, and I wouldn't have heard about Magic Mountain if it wasn't for this forum.
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 17780 Location: EL/R -6.12, SL/A -8.15 in NW VT and slightly south of the Poutine Curtain
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject:
Jon44 wrote:
Bob T wrote:
General Manager of ski area Z reads post on your site: "patrol looked the other way with a warning to stay off of blah cuz of active grooming".
Yeah, I see this point and agree with it.
But I think it's helpful to aggregate information about resorts that OFFICIALLY allow skinning. E.g., I had no idea that Wildcat allows it during operating, and I wouldn't have heard about Magic Mountain if it wasn't for this forum.
I just wonder if there exists any summary of Resorts' uphill skiing policy? If not, I'd be happy to put one together if someone has a website to post it on.
Bad idea Jon. There are xteen million people within a day's drive of the ski areas in the NE. The NE is virtually urban. General Manager of ski area Z reads post on your site: "patrol looked the other way with a warning to stay off of blah cuz of active grooming". GM can see that your site is broadcasting ad hoc policy about his ski area. GM fixes that problem at next patrol meeting. Locals who developed a personal relationship with the people on that hill are now told "sorry, the boss laid down the law about liability and skinning".
Solution: skip the public service announcement and get to what you want. pm people who live near the hill you're interested in and find out what you want to know.
Bob, I read his initial request differently. I took it to mean he was looking for already published official policies. This would preclude the type of situation you're worried about.
btw, yes i agree, posting something speculative, about how some people *may* get away with something somewhere, is a great way to ruin it for everyone.
However, I don't see an issue with helping people find the already-publicly posted official policies of some resorts. For example, the official policies for MRG and Stowe include directions on where to park to not interfere with mountain ops, this will HELP keep the mountain open to skinners, not risk its closure.
But Grant's lonely and wants to meet people so I guess we're all screwed.
It's obvious that no one likes to play with themselves as much as you do, willy!
I have actual, real friends Grant. I don't need imaginary ones on the internet. And I don't assume that because someone telemarks or skis in the backcountry I'm going to enjoy their company. That is simply a fundamentally flawed theory. We're never going to agree on this - fine. But please keep your internet fetish focused to the east of the lake. Deal?
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 17780 Location: EL/R -6.12, SL/A -8.15 in NW VT and slightly south of the Poutine Curtain
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject:
slamdance wrote:
Grant wrote:
slamdance wrote:
But Grant's lonely and wants to meet people so I guess we're all screwed.
It's obvious that no one likes to play with themselves as much as you do, willy!
I have actual, real friends Grant. I don't need imaginary ones on the internet. And I don't assume that because someone telemarks or skis in the backcountry I'm going to enjoy their company. That is simply a fundamentally flawed theory. We're never going to agree on this - fine. But please keep your internet fetish focused to the east of the lake. Deal?
re: liability, would ski areas fall under the same release of liabilities as people who let others use their land recreationally?
Extrapolating from what Wildcat said, they do have liability if you're using the land for the purpose that they're leasing it for (i.e., skiing).
Re: increase in skinning?
Is this a real thing or an excuse used by resort operators? I've never seen more than 1 or 2 other people skinning up anything in the Northeast either at a resort or in the backcountry. I just don't get the sense that that many people even own the gear. (But as I said, I agree with idea of respecting local arrangements, etc.)
Re: off-topic posts (or "what happened to this forum")
Evidently, these people have been banned before, and return under different names. Are they truly as thought-disordered (it's not at all clear what they think they're gloatingly sneering at or joking about) and pathological as they seem?
And though I don't post them myself, a self-indulgent Trip Report seems much more benign (and actually constructive in a way) than the internet equivalent of twerps sitting in the hallway of a dorm on a weekend night smirking at people who are going out and actually doing something.
What are you babbling about? Every single one of your assumptions is wrong. Here's the deal Jon: Do whatever you want but keep it in "New England". Mmmmmkay?
Re: increase in skinning?
Is this a real thing or an excuse used by resort operators? I've never seen more than 1 or 2 other people skinning up anything in the Northeast either at a resort or in the backcountry.
No, this is a real thing. You should have seen the parking lot at Stowe Saturday, there were at least 50 cars. The skinners were thicker than fleas on a dog. Tele may have flat-lined, but the sale of AT gear continues to climb. Toilet-turners everywhere.
Re: increase in skinning?
Is this a real thing or an excuse used by resort operators? I've never seen more than 1 or 2 other people skinning up anything in the Northeast either at a resort or in the backcountry.
No, this is a real thing. You should have seen the parking lot at Stowe Saturday, there were at least 50 cars. The skinners were thicker than fleas on a dog. Tele may have flat-lined, but the sale of AT gear continues to climb.
Noticing the increase in uphill traffic at my local areas in the last few years too.
AT, tele, snowshoes, and booter numbers have been on the up.
As an uphill skier, I fear collisions from novice skiers and riders as well as out of control punk arse kids who try to spray me.
A skinning policy as well as designated skinning routes (which I tried to advocate at my hill) would be helpful.
Of course, skin/ski off piste is the way to go, but not always available.
O.K. Slamdance, have at thee. _________________ "Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads."- Doc
Re: increase in skinning?
Is this a real thing or an excuse used by resort operators? I've never seen more than 1 or 2 other people skinning up anything in the Northeast either at a resort or in the backcountry.
No, this is a real thing. You should have seen the parking lot at Stowe Saturday, there were at least 50 cars. The skinners were thicker than fleas on a dog. Tele may have flat-lined, but the sale of AT gear continues to climb.
Noticing the increase in uphill traffic at my local areas in the last few years too.
AT, tele, snowshoes, and booter numbers have been on the up.
As an uphill skier, I fear collisions from novice skiers and riders as well as out of control punk arse kids who try to spray me.
A skinning policy as well as designated skinning routes (which I tried to advocate at my hill) would be helpful.
Of course, skin/ski off piste is the way to go, but not always available.
O.K. Slamdance, have at thee.
Nuttin' you said there I disagree with or even care about. I'd just feel better knowing that the OP's brain-child doesn't include anything over here. I think it's an exceptionally bad idea. I understand that many of you disagree. That's fine but as long as the idea isn't going to affect me, our disagreement is just an academic one.
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