Zimmerman was given first aid by paramedics at the scene of the shooting for a broken nose and head wounds.
Quiet down! Booohb and the rest of the OT idiocracy is too busy rushing to judgment to consider any of those facty-like things. This story has everything Booohb needs to poop his stinky little left-wing diaper: A dead brown man and a Stand-Your-Ground Law. Now get the fuck out of the way!
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:03 am Post subject:
slamdance wrote:
NoOneInParticular wrote:
Zimmerman was given first aid by paramedics at the scene of the shooting for a broken nose and head wounds.
Quiet down! Booohb and the rest of the OT idiocracy is too busy rushing to judgment to consider any of those facty-like things. !
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You don't know what the copulate happened down there you idiot. STFU and let the facts come out.
Join the club Williard. _________________ Creeds and doctrines are like a raft to get you to the other shore and then to relinquish. Neither cling to the raft or reject it when drowning. Even better, become a strong swimmer.
I don't live in fear of others or the loss of my "stuff". That's one reason I don't feel the need to own firearms.
hutguy, half the world thinks differently than you:
Still, women's concerns about safety are frequently the subject of critical comments from the men in their lives. One woman told me of constant ridicule and sarcasm from her boyfriend whenever she discussed her fear or safety. He called her precautions silly and asked, "How can you live like that?" To which she replied, "How could I not?'
<snip>
It is understandable that the perspectives of men and women on safety are so different -- men and women live in different worlds. I don't remember where I first heard this simple description of one dramatic contrast between the genders, but it is strikingly accurate: At core, men are afraid women will laugh at them, while at core, women are afraid men will kill them.
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 7137 Location: Breckenridge CO
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject:
slamdance wrote:
hutguy wrote:
slamdance wrote:
NoOneInParticular wrote:
Zimmerman was given first aid by paramedics at the scene of the shooting for a broken nose and head wounds.
Quiet down! Booohb and the rest of the OT idiocracy is too busy rushing to judgment to consider any of those facty-like things. !
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You don't know what the copulate happened down there you idiot. STFU and let the facts come out.
Join the club Williard.
What?
NOIP was stating a FACT. Booohb was stating a CONCLUSION. Do you know the difference? Of course you don't. Fucking tool.
You and Booohb and a few others make this place lot's of fun. Everytime you open your mouths smart liberals cringe.
NOIP's statement is fact? You mean the case has gone to court and testimony has been given? _________________ Creeds and doctrines are like a raft to get you to the other shore and then to relinquish. Neither cling to the raft or reject it when drowning. Even better, become a strong swimmer.
This thread is about a teenage boy who was shot dead because a neighborhood watch volunteer thought he looked dangerous because he was wearing a hoody. If that's not awash in fear, what is?
Really? You opened with this:
I have nothing against people's rights to protect themselves, their "castle" and their family. But, the fact is, there are a lot of yahoos out there who take the liberties given to responsible gun owners and abuse them. _________________
Zimmerman was given first aid by paramedics at the scene of the shooting for a broken nose and head wounds.
Quiet down! Booohb and the rest of the OT idiocracy is too busy rushing to judgment to consider any of those facty-like things. !
Quote:
You don't know what the copulate happened down there you idiot. STFU and let the facts come out.
Join the club Williard.
What?
NOIP was stating a FACT. Booohb was stating a CONCLUSION. Do you know the difference? Of course you don't. Fucking tool.
You and Booohb and a few others make this place lot's of fun. Everytime you open your mouths smart liberals cringe.
NOIP's statement is fact? You mean the case has gone to court and testimony has been given?
I knew you'd say that. You really don't know the difference between a fact and a conclusion. Perhaps i should have said "factual assertion".
And BTW, that's not the type of factual assertion that will be difficult to prove. There will be witnesses and medical records that relate to any medical treatment the guy received. But that fact (if and when established) is not conclusive of anything in of itself and I wasn't arguing that it was.
Now look at Booohb's stupid fucking statement. And think about it for a minute.
Face it shitface, you're just an idiot. Do you really wonder why I spit on people like you?
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject:
One dead unarmed teenager. The person who shot the teenager never taken into custody. A history of incidents like this, where trigger-happy vigilantes shoot first and ask questions later, and escape indictment (there is no trial, no finding of fact) because of Florida's 'stand your ground law'.
There are no Court findings of fact because there are no trials. Zimmerman has not been arrested, there has been no grand jury.
One of the issues is that these incidents escape scrutiny under the law. There is no attempt to verify the facts through collection of evidence.
So how can one "wait for the facts" if there is no attempt to determine the facts.
Maybe now, with the public outcry, there in fact will be an attempt to determine the facts. Without the outcry, there would have been no inquiry beyond Zimmerman's statement that he was defending himself.
Without the inquiry following the outrage, there would just be one dead black teenager.
It appears from your comments, that some of you like it that way. _________________ Other vegetables have a hard time competing with potatoes.
A history of incidents like this, where trigger-happy vigilantes shoot first and ask questions later, and escape indictment (there is no trial, no finding of fact) because of Florida's 'stand your ground law'.
Looky! Boohby's got it all figured out! Zimmerman's a "trigger happy vigilante" who shoots first and asks questions later. How do you know that Booohby? After all, the rest of your post laments the lack of a factual investigation. On what facts do you base that conclusion. Did you really go to law school? Really?
Booohb wrote:
It appears from your comments, that some of you like it that way.
That would be offensive if it wasn't coming from such a complete piece of shit. When are you retiring to Westport, Boohby?
This thread is about a teenage boy who was shot dead because a neighborhood watch volunteer thought he looked dangerous because he was wearing a hoody. If that's not awash in fear, what is?
Really? You opened with this:
I have nothing against people's rights to protect themselves, their "castle" and their family. But, the fact is, there are a lot of yahoos out there who take the liberties given to responsible gun owners and abuse them.
that's what he changed it to bmiller, here's what he originally posted which reflects his standard stance and prompted my ridicule and sarcasm
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But, the fact is, there are a lot more yahoos out there than responsible gun owners.
hutguy followed with his 'awash in fear' statements saying it's the nations affection for guns that brings on violent crime etc... making it about 'gun laws', then called out on it they back pedal and spin to try to get back to a case that is far from 'clear' and ignoring the idea that 'inner city crime and gangs' have nurtured fear as much as any 'object' and the social problems we have in dealing with the 'poor' communities and the hopelessness that many there feel lead to the 'gangs', crime etc.....
meanwhile in other threads Baaahb loves to give the benefit of doubt to criminals and both him and hutguy ignore the fact that there are many gun laws in place including background checks, waiting periods, and yes training, classes and permit processes for those who choose to carry a concealed weapon. Here in Nevada, one domestic dispute charge, drug charge etc..... on your record and you will not get that license.
Despite his denials Baaahb started this thread by 'painting' it with the 'lack of gun laws' / prevalence of guns are what led to this 'vigilantism'. again.... there are 'more yahoos out there than responsible gun owners', i call him on it and once again he tries to tell me 'what i believe' and 'how i see it' before i've even once responded to the case at hand even suggesting i feared 'Obama was out to take my guns' rhetoric which is hilarious to me since i voted for him and never once feared that, i believe the dems finally saw the pointlessness of that 'battle'.
I suggest enforcement of laws on the books and punishment of those who commit crimes, forget parole for violent predatory criminals and those who use deadly weapons to commit crimes, start there.
Or like Baaahb one can blame all of us 'yahoos' who do own firearms (not just for defense) and who believe we have the right to own them and believe that if those who misuse them or abuse them in violent ways pay a heavy price for those crimes.
Nurse Ratched nails the woman portion of all of this 'fear' talk, easy for hutguy to not live in fear up in the Disneyworld mountain vacation land in the body of a white male.
and Baaahb..... he only fears the NRA and we know how he feels about women.... if ya want to project Baaahb i've got plenty of your quotes to use for some projection on you
I'll likely go back to your quotes Baaahb so please give me more to add.... good thing you aren't a trial lawyer that's for sure! These lyrics come to mind when Baaahb posts about 'law'...
"A man with a briefcase can steal more money than any man with a gun"
"You cross a lawyer with the godfather baby - make you an offer that you just can't understand"
remember this is the guy who believes it's right to flee the country if you don't feel you will be given a 'fair' sentence in court.... according to Baaahb's ideas Zimmerman should 'run' now while he can and he would be fully justified in doing so, perhaps South Africa,...
slamdance, i should update you, Westport may be going to be recreated in the rural suburbs of Sacramento, not sure how the 4-wheeler driving, rifle owning neighbors will feel about that. _________________
wow wrote:
Complexity adds confusion whether you are in charge of an avalanche center or headed out for the first tour.
Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 15772 Location: Ponderosa
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject:
jw wrote:
I suggest enforcement of laws on the books and punishment of those who commit crimes, forget parole for violent predatory criminals and those who use deadly weapons to commit crimes, start there.
Hey, you actually made a statement of position! Good for you! Shall I do like you do and harp on isolated comments?
(reference: your continued harping on a statement I revised way back on p. 2)
jw wrote:
forget parole for ... those who use deadly weapons to commit crimes, start there.
so a teenager who robs a store while holding a knife in a threatening way is never eligible for parole? how are you going to raise taxes to pay for a doubling of our prisons? how is that going to improve our society?
sounds like more of a recipe for creating hardened criminals out of stupid teenagers
Maybe you can really outdo yourself and tell what you think of Florida's "stand your ground law". _________________ Other vegetables have a hard time competing with potatoes.
I suggest enforcement of laws on the books and punishment of those who commit crimes, forget parole for violent predatory criminals and those who use deadly weapons to commit crimes, start there.
Hey, you actually made a statement of position! Good for you! Shall I do like you do and harp on isolated comments?
(reference: your continued harping on a statement I revised way back on p. 2)
jw wrote:
forget parole for ... those who use deadly weapons to commit crimes, start there.
so a teenager who robs a store while holding a knife in a threatening way is never eligible for parole? how are you going to raise taxes to pay for a doubling of our prisons? how is that going to improve our society?
sounds like more of a recipe for creating hardened criminals out of stupid teenagers
Maybe you can really outdo yourself and tell what you think of Florida's "stand your ground law".
read much.....?????
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vigilantism has nothing to do with the right to bear arms or defend yourself.... easy stuff... prosecute the guy... the law can stand as is, IF he stepped outside it
page 2, i'll use Baaahb revision technique there and add 'IF'
'harping' you revised it to mean something else on page 2? really
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Ok, so maybe there's only 5 million yahoos out there ready to shoot anybody who appears threatening to them.
You also changed your original post on this thread to try to make it 'read' different, but neither revision hides what you are saying.
I continue to call you out on statements you make, if that's harping i'm one good harpist. Can't wait for your next post on child rapists or 'crime and punishment'....
You beat yourself up on those just as much as you do on these type of threads which are just you putting up 'veiled' justifications for your core belief which you continually scurry about trying to hide. _________________
wow wrote:
Complexity adds confusion whether you are in charge of an avalanche center or headed out for the first tour.
Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 15772 Location: Ponderosa
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject:
so, jw, you are fine with Florida's "stand your ground" law? (FYI, you say "prosecute the guy"; but that is the issue. due to the law, the authorities refuse to prosecute homicides where the shooter claims self-defense)
do you think other states should adopt such laws?
why do you think standard principles of self-defense need to be reinforced and strengthened through "stand your ground" laws? _________________ Other vegetables have a hard time competing with potatoes.
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