Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 7103 Location: Breckenridge CO
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject:
bmiller wrote:
hutguy wrote:
The US is a country that is awash with firearms and fear.
Really? Who you skeered of? I'm not. In fact would you please provide some evidence to support your asertion that we are "awash in fear".
boo
I don't live in fear of others or the loss of my "stuff". That's one reason I don't feel the need to own firearms.
I feel one reason people own firearms is they do live in fear of others and they feel using deadly force to protect property is justified.
If you don't think a great deal of people live in fear you're not paying attention. There's the fear that the guy that this thread is supposed to be about's fear of a young black kid wearing a hoody. There's the fear that someone is around the next corner waiting to assault you. There's the fear that some wild animal will attack you while you're out in the woods. There's the fear that someone will take some piece of property that you own. There's the fear that someone will harm a loved one. There's the fear that the guy in the White House will take away your guns/freedom/money/whatever. There's the fear of loss of job, of status, of prestige. I'd say there are very few of us who don't have some degree of fear lurking in our mind stream.
The question is how you manage that fear. You can take it to extremes on either end. One end is the vigilante route where you are out on the street packing heat just hoping a bad guy will make your day. The other end is complete pacifism. Personally, I'd rather live in a world/country with more pacifism than vigilantism, but IMO in the least, we should not through legislation encourage people to shoot first and ask questions later.
That seems like what this case will come down to. Was the guy trigger happy and frightened by this kid whom he had a preconceived notion of who he was and what his intentions were? I don't know, the hyperbolic rhetoric that you read and hear from both sides of the issue make it difficult to know what really happened. That's why you have to have to faith that the process, for all its flaws will get to the truth of the matter. _________________ Creeds and doctrines are like a raft to get you to the other shore and then to relinquish. Neither cling to the raft or reject it when drowning. Even better, become a strong swimmer.
Shakyamuni Buddha. The diamond sutra
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And such, but that's about it. Aside from that, not much fear....especially if you don't count the dramatic increase in the number militia groups in the last few years, but that's mainly just a spin-off from Obama-fear, so I think you have to back off those fear numbers a bit to avoid a double count.
One other thing for you all to fear, try breaking into my house and be very afraid because I will cap your ass. Big time. No fear, just fact.
hutguy, you don't own any firearms but claim to know why other people do.
Well as a gun owner myself I can assure you that you are wrong. I consider myself to be a rather typical gun owner. Not because I'm afraid of anyone or anything but because I like guns, they are fun, a hobby. I like skiis also, got lots of them.
I am paying attention, I don't see a bunch of scared people. I do see plenty of people who are sick and tired of what's going on in our country. Not just during the current presidency but in general. Lets call it concern instead of fear.
freek, I don't fear you or your gun. I'm a law abiding citizen, nothing to fear here. _________________
freek, I don't fear you or your gun. I'm a law abiding citizen, nothing to fear here.
Come on Bill, let's live in the real world we both really live in. Concern has become fear, and I'm afraid that in many cases too much time listening to certain sources has ginned that fear into hate.
You may be law abiding, as am I, but if I mis-read your body language, facial expressions, mis-hear a comment, mis-take a myriad of other social clues, and happen to live in a state which allows it, I may just have to take you out outside of my house. No hard feelings. Nothing personal. But, boom, buh-bye.
I do live in the real world, away from this computer screen and the crap on tv. I interact with real people and don't let the media hyperbole shape my opinions.
Now, you just wrote that if I misrepresent myself you'll take me out.
That's real world data, got it, stay away from freek.
Just riffin' on the prepper/wrol/militia world view and right wing talk radio. Granted, it's a small percentage of the total population and undoubtedly always will be, but they are among us. No?
Wasn't meaning to personalize it with the "me's" and "you's" being anything other than literary thingies for ease of putting it in writing. Point being, that any of us could find ourselves in a position where someone intent on protecting themselves may not fully think through whether or not they are fully understanding our motive or intent at that moment. Road rage, anyone?
Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 1321 Location: Small Lake City
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:35 am Post subject:
The cavemen who were happily smelling flowers got eaten by saber-tooth tigers. The fearful ones alert to the sounds, sights, and smells of potential threat passed on their dna, to us.
The cavemen who were happily smelling flowers got eaten by saber-tooth tigers. The fearful ones alert to the sounds, sights, and smells of potential threat passed on their dna, to us.
Evolution selected for the more enhanced fight or flight response?
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Not sure if that's fits, but wanted to use it just the same.
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 7103 Location: Breckenridge CO
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:14 am Post subject:
bmiller wrote:
hutguy, you don't own any firearms but claim to know why other people do.
Well as a gun owner myself I can assure you that you are wrong. I consider myself to be a rather typical gun owner. Not because I'm afraid of anyone or anything but because I like guns, they are fun, a hobby. I like skiis also, got lots of them.
And that's fine. I can understand that. Purely as precision mechanical devices I can understand the interest. I can also understand the interest in the skill of shooting. I'm sure there are many people for whom that is the attraction.
You should note that I didn't say all gun owners are motivated by fear, but I'd be willing to bet that a lot of them, IMO probably a majority of them are. That doesn't mean that I think that all those people who own firearms out of that motivation are trigger happy vigilantes or wackos one blown fuse away from going postal, most will never shoot at anything but a paper target or rusty refrigerators, but given the number of firearms out there, even a tiny minority of them are able to cause a lot of grief.
Anyway, rather than the bigger gun control debate (which I'll admit I got into), it seems the issue at hand is "make my day' or "stand your ground" laws. Do they really deter crime? Do they allow a person to get away with shooting someone they didn't have to or do they allow someone to legitimately protect themselves without being labeled as a criminal? For sure there are no easy answers and both sides can make credible arguments. _________________ Creeds and doctrines are like a raft to get you to the other shore and then to relinquish. Neither cling to the raft or reject it when drowning. Even better, become a strong swimmer.
Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 15747 Location: Ponderosa
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:54 am Post subject:
bmiller wrote:
Really? Who you skeered of? I'm not. In fact would you please provide some evidence to support your asertion that we are "awash in fear".
bmiller, WTF?
This thread is about a teenage boy who was shot dead because a neighborhood watch volunteer thought he looked dangerous because he was wearing a hoody. If that's not awash in fear, what is?
and this thread questions whether such vigilante behavior should be tolerated.
another indication of the population being awash in fear is the fever pitch that some people rise to at any suggestion that there are too many guns in America. WTF? jw seems to think everyone of these threads is pushing to take his guns away and can only respond in sarcastic outrage _________________ Other vegetables have a hard time competing with potatoes.
This thread is about a teenage boy who was shot dead because a neighborhood watch volunteer thought he looked dangerous because he was wearing a hoody.
Is that what it's about Boooohb? Really? You don't know what the fuck happened down there you idiot. STFU and let the facts come out.
You're not an attorney. There's just no fucking way.
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