One who believes that it is okay to take money from hard-working people who make good decisions and give it to non-working people who make poor decisions. _________________ "She said, Boy, without a doubt, have to quit your mess and straighten out...you could die down here, be just another accident statistic."
One who believes that it is okay to take money from hard-working people who make good decisions and give it to non-working people who make poor decisions.
Like the Iraq War? I would have to agree. Who'da thunk they's were liberals??? _________________ ~km
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One who believes that it is okay to take money from hard-working people who make good decisions and give it to non-working people who make poor decisions.
Yes, and this reminds me of Joni-M's recent story posted on the helmet law thread:
Joni_M wrote:
I watched with dismay as my friends/neighbors took out second and third mortgages to finance an over the top lifestyle throughout most of the 00s. Trips to Hawaii, Tahiti, Europe, cruises to Alaska and Mexico, Las Vegas weekends, dinner out nearly every night, often to some of the best places in LA, concerts, all kinds of shit. And when things started to get tight, to make themselves feel better they went out and bought a second new black Suburban for stay at home soccer mom and a new mega-Ford truck for hubby. When the economy nosedived they found themselves owing about $1.6 million on a home with no equity and worth less than half what they owed, and he’s in construction so work ground to a halt. They ‘borrowed’ money from relatives to stay afloat, and when that well ran dry they found themselves in foreclosure, days away from losing their house. I was helping them look for apartments and making plans for their family to temporarily move in with us so their twins could graduate with their class from High School this year when the Obama administration came to their rescue with a federal loan modification program, cutting their mortgage payments in half and suspending them altogether for several months while they try to reorganize the rest of their financial lives. I was happy for them, but deep down I know that what went down with them is just plain wrong.
Meanwhile, my husband and I both continue to work our asses off, live within our means, pay our considerable taxes and save for our retirement. And that’s how it should be, people should pay what they owe and take responsibility for themselves at every level, from ski helmets to health insurance to home mortgages.
Who doesn't know folks just like Joni's neighbors?
We all know folks like that, JPL. Maybe not to that extreme. Do you think there aren't "conservatives" who fit that description? Seriously?
The terms conservative and liberal have been butchered to whatever the other side wants them to be. Pretty sad state of affairs, but typical of those who fear "the other".
We all know folks like that, JPL. Maybe not to that extreme. Do you think there aren't "conservatives" who fit that description? Seriously?
The terms conservative and liberal have been butchered to whatever the other side wants them to be. Pretty sad state of affairs, but typical of those who fear "the other".
I agree with you as to the butchering of the terms. It is sad, and it reflects an increasing polarization of our country politically as we move more towards a socialistic model.
As for knowing conservatives who fit the description of Joni's neighbors, sure, greed, gaming the system and poor decision making know no political boundry, and yet that's not the point. The point is that liberals/progressives tend to be more okay with rewarding such behavior than conservatives. And they are a lot more okay with taking my money and giving it to others.
For example, would you disagree that the OWS crowd demanding student loan forgiveness is essentially made up entirely of liberal/progressives?
Again I agree, so why would you waste our time by arguing a point so obviously wrong?
While campaigning our liberal president actually came right out and said he wanted to "spread the wealth around." Take my money, my earning power, and give it to someone else. And his base ate it up.
Would you seriously argue that for Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich or any other conservative candidate to make such a statement wouldn't mean the end of their political career?
Again I agree, so why would you waste our time by arguing a point so obviously wrong?
While campaigning our liberal president actually came right out and said he wanted to "spread the wealth around." Take my money, my earning power, and give it to someone else. And his base ate it up.
Would you seriously argue that for Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich or any other conservative candidate to make such a statement wouldn't mean the end of their political career?
I didn't think so.
BS. He never said that and he hasn't done anything like that. Where the copulate do you come up with this shit, seriously? Talk radio? Your pastor? Glenn BecK? Really, id like to know where these ideas originate from?
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject:
JPL wrote:
seki wrote:
Specious arguments = not worth the time.
Again I agree, so why would you waste our time by arguing a point so obviously wrong?
While campaigning our liberal president actually came right out and said he wanted to "spread the wealth around." Take my money, my earning power, and give it to someone else. And his base ate it up.
Would you seriously argue that for Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich or any other conservative candidate to make such a statement wouldn't mean the end of their political career?
I didn't think so.
As a matter of fact, Gingritch did say just that, in an interview befor the debate season got underway. It was on the news and everything. Later of course Gingritch denied having said it, even though there was a tape of the broadcast.
And of course it was only acknowledging the Social Contract that exists at every level in most societies, whether codified or not. Gingritch's dishonest renunciation of his clearly stated words is typical of the cowardice and intellectual dishonesty of the RePublicans who will deny the ob ious to appeal to a base similarly inclined to either being ignorant of history or dedicated to overturning it.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject:
JPL wrote:
Who doesn't know folks just like Joni's neighbors?
Me, I'm happy to say. I have a very large network of friends and family and no one I know blindly spends beyond their means as to jeopardize their families future security. Those losers should be on the street.
JPL wrote:
The point is that liberals/progressives tend to be more okay with rewarding such behavior than conservatives. And they are a lot more okay with taking my money and giving it to others.
Common man, you know as well as anyone the point of the Mortgage renegotiation plan is to keep the economy from further suffering the housing crisis, to put it behind us, NOT to reward bad behavior. Everyone recognizes the moral hazard here, but letting the economy drag on into depression would be a greater sin. Stop spreading this Red Herring and admit something has to be done; after all your last President bailed out the Banks, because something had to be done. There are no winners in these crises, we maybe the few hedge fun managers who orchstrated the mortgage backed crises. _________________ "The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected." G. K. Chesterton
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject:
This thread is nothing but an idiot circle jerk. It will be interesting to see who turns out to be the pivot idiot, JPL seems to be ranking high on the list.
It all sounds like some Rush L. Hanity pillow talk, or maybe a big conservative slumber party with a bunch of idiot teenage, oops I mean conservative babble.
Fuc{ing idiots!
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