Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 7110 Location: Breckenridge CO
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject:
AKDOG wrote:
hutguy wrote:
Jim wrote:
Gotta give Obama credit. His apology reallly worked to calm the situation. Only 2 more Americans killed today.
What would a good response of the situation from a right thinking conservative be?
Get the f out, bring the kids home. First thing to ask yourself, would you want your kids over there?
Ask Ron Paul, he is about as right thinking as one can be, to the point of mimicking a Limburg type isolationist. Not a Ron Paul supporter myself, but have to agree when he warned of the dangers of getting into a ” vague and prolonged war”.
Overall, no doubt the consequences of the whole invasion were not well thought out. Like Iraq, the Bush administration chose to go in guns blazing and seemingly, that's about it. That left Obama to deal with a very difficult situation in which there are probably no good solution - pretty much all options that are realistic suck. I'd never vote for Ron Paul, but I can agree with his stance on getting into foreign wars but that's going to help anything now.
To the specific post though, it was limited to asking Jim what a better way for the POTUS to deal with something as explosive as US soldiers burning copies of the Koran in occupied Afghanistan might be. Jim seems to think that since we're the big bad US of A we can say and do whatever we want. Copulate 'em if they don't like it. I'm not so sure that's a wise approach to take but what the hell, Jim's certainly entitled to his opinion. _________________ Creeds and doctrines are like a raft to get you to the other shore and then to relinquish. Neither cling to the raft or reject it when drowning. Even better, become a strong swimmer.
Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 5123 Location: Mammoth Lakes (sometimes)
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject:
jw wrote:
hmmm..... to pigeon hole the'burning of the koran' without the 'backround' is a fail imo....
imagine if the 'heartland' of the U.S. experienced a foreign invader/'rescuer' who didn't 'respect' the christian religion and the foreign troop burned bibles, there would be no violent response? Really.....????
In comparing any two great civilizations one should not focus on one land or one decade or century, but rather glance over many centuries and over many lands. If we do that, then it becomes clear that whether one looks at the teachings of the two religions or the conduct of their followers there is no basis in fact in the claim that Christianity is more of a religion of love and peace than Islam. Christians have no doubt talked about love and peace more, but Muslims have practiced these values more.
As a final word, I would say that before preaching love and peace to other nations, Christians will do well to pay heed to the following well-attested words of Jesus:
Or, how can you say to your brother, "Friend, let me take the speck in your eye," when you yourself do not see the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log in your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye (Luke 6:42 = Matt 7:4-5 = Thomas, saying 26)
To myself and other Muslims I would say that forever keep reflecting the meaning of the following words of God:
We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a mercy and love to all the nations (lit. all the worlds).
and no i don't hate America
Col. Andy Tanner: ...The Russians need to take us in one piece, and that's why they're here. That's why they won't use nukes anymore; and we won't either, not on our own soil. The whole damn thing's pretty conventional now. Who knows? Maybe next week will be swords.
Darryl Bates: What started it?
Col. Andy Tanner: I don't know. Two toughest kids on the block, I guess. Sooner or later, they're gonna fight.
Jed Eckert: That simple, is it?
Col. Andy Tanner: Or maybe somebody just forget what it was like.
Jed Eckert: ...Well, who *is* on our side?
Col. Andy Tanner: Six hundred million screaming Chinamen.
Darryl Bates: Last I heard, there were a billion screaming Chinamen.
Col. Andy Tanner: There *were*.
[he throws whiskey on the fire; it ignites violently, suggesting a nuclear explosion]
Erica: You American?
Col. Andy Tanner: Red-blooded.
Erica: What's the capital of Texas?
Col. Andy Tanner: Austin.
Erica: Wrong, commie! It's Houston. _________________
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 5718 Location: Switzerland
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject:
Here's my question:
Shouldn't the guys that wrote in the holy books (ie. defiled them) be punished (too)? _________________ You give us what we want in a week, or we beat the hell out of you and take it anyway.
--Anacreon message, roughly translated by Mayor Hardin
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 5829 Location: Flying over the Earth poisoning you with chemtrails
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject:
fyi
Quote:
Saddam Hussein left behind a Koran that was written in his own blood in which he dedicated to 'God'. Irqui leaders are now on a rampage trying to figure out what to do with the religious relic.
Since his trial, the leaders have worked meticulously trying to rid the nation of memories and artifacts surrounding Saddam’s rules but are now unsure as how to proceed with what to do with the extremely valuable relic.
HuffPost reports that the Koran’s creation took a little over two years to create.
It was etched in the blood of a dictator in a ghoulish bid for piety. Over the course of two painstaking years in the late 1990s, Saddam Hussein had sat regularly with a nurse and an Islamic calligrapher; the former drawing 27 litres of his blood and the latter using it as a macabre ink to transcribe a Qur'an. But since the fall of Baghdad, almost eight years ago, it has stayed largely out of sight - locked away behind three vaulted doors. It is the one part of the ousted tyrant's legacy that Iraq has simply not known what to do with.
In a letter that was published in the official media, Saddam had written that he dedicated the book to God.
"My life has been full of dangers in which I should have lost a lot of blood...but since I have bled only a little, I asked somebody to write God's words with my blood in gratitude,"
_________________ Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison.
BF's French lady.
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