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N. England Uphill Resort Skiing Summary?
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Jon44



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:02 pm    Post subject: N. England Uphill Resort Skiing Summary? Reply with quote

I just wonder if there exists any summary of Resorts' uphill skiing policy? If not, I'd be happy to put one together if someone has a website to post it on.

Some sort of summary seems like it'd be a help as it's very confusing what some resorts' official policy is versus what the actual practice is.

E.g., Wildcat says you can't skin up their trails after they close for the season--just curious if this is actually enforced (and seems like a weird rule since it's public land).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really think publicizing this is a good idea? I could see a ski area that doesn't have an official policy suddenly coming up with one in response to this idea. I could see other resorts who had always been willing to turn a blind eye, deciding they no longer could do that because of this idea.

Just because you have a machine in front of you that's connected to every other machine in the world doesn't mean you have to always use it. You're talking about skinning in a closed ski area for crying out loud; show a little restraint.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I actually agree with slamdance. Best to keep it on the DL. Search out local knowledge, PM other members in your area, but don't publicly encourage areas to become legal tight-asses.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One closed resort where I am currently climbing has posted a sign that says "no uphill travel...bla bla..no exceptions" ..talked to ski patrol b4 closing and they said it was just meant to keep people from skinning during operating hours..If the resort is on state or federal property, closures are probably just bluffs anyways..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdrifter11 wrote:
One closed resort where I am currently climbing has posted a sign that says "no uphill travel...bla bla..no exceptions" ..talked to ski patrol b4 closing and they said it was just meant to keep people from skinning during operating hours..If the resort is on state or federal property, closures are probably just bluffs anyways..
If a ski area holds a lease on public land they are entitled to restrict access even if not operating. Their lease has the same conditions as any lease on any private property. If an area is posted as closed and you go anyway you are committing a misdemeanor in WA as of this winter.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_wright wrote:
vdrifter11 wrote:
One closed resort where I am currently climbing has posted a sign that says "no uphill travel...bla bla..no exceptions" ..talked to ski patrol b4 closing and they said it was just meant to keep people from skinning during operating hours..If the resort is on state or federal property, closures are probably just bluffs anyways..
If a ski area holds a lease on public land they are entitled to restrict access even if not operating. Their lease has the same conditions as any lease on any private property. If an area is posted as closed and you go anyway you are committing a misdemeanor in WA as of this winter.
Might be true, unless the lease itself precludes the restriction..In the case i refer to, countless state park hiking trails also cover the ski area, so an absolute closure would be
reaching too far..In other words, the lease is not restricting hiking access absolutely. Was also told by people running lifts that they also
would be climbing after closure, irrespective of the signs indicating no
uphill travel..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every resort will be different depending on its circumstances and attitudes about uphill traffic. Sometimes simply negotiating "an arrangement" with the local management is the best solution (which we were able to do). Claiming access because it's public land is the worst possible idea. The first step is to talk to the ski patrol, groomers and snow makers and listen to their concerns. It's a great education.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdrifter11 wrote:
blah blah blah DP blah blah Was also told by people running lifts that they also
would be climbing after closure, irrespective of the signs indicating no
uphill travel..


This sounds like the ol': would you jump off a bridge if the lifties were doing it?

I work at a resort and I do ALL KINDS of things there that our usual guests (and usual employees)
SHOULDN'T do.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. T. Elemark wrote:
vdrifter11 wrote:
blah blah blah DP blah blah Was also told by people running lifts that they also
would be climbing after closure, irrespective of the signs indicating no
uphill travel..


This sounds like the ol': would you jump off a bridge if the lifties were doing it?

I work at a resort and I do ALL KINDS of things there that our usual guests (and usual employees)
SHOULDN'T do.
My intention was to find the EXACT meaning of
the newly posted signs restricting uphill travel..So, I asked ski patrol and lifties..They all indicated the signs were to keep sledders and skiers off the slopes during operating times..I have no idea how uphill travel could be absolutely banned with an extensive, well marked number of hiking trails combing the ski area anyways..What will they do, remove the signs when the snow is gone?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS! vdrifter11, the OP asked about "New England" resorts' policies. If you know of any first hand, please comment. If not, start your own thread about anything else that is NOT about skinning on closed NEW ENGLAND resorts..... Rolling Eyes

Any info you post about anything else just buries any real info that could be gleaned.

seriously, go start another thread about whatever it is you're talking about. The debate about who has control over what land, leases, etc has been beaten many many times here. Feel free to dig one of those threads, start your own, heck start a bunch. But, don't beat that horse here. Please allow people to answer the actual question that was asked.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbo wrote:
Any info you post about anything else just buries any real info that could be gleaned.


What you are talking about is Ron's specialty, thrunting up threads until they become all about him and whatever he wants to talk about. Good luck getting him to change, it's been going on for years.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the spirit of adding actual information to the thread, Magic Mountain has an official policy:

http://magicmtn.com/earn_your_turns.php

If there's a more perfect policy, I haven't seen it Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slamdance wrote:
Do you really think publicizing this is a good idea? .... show a little restraint.


You know, that issue just didn't occur to me. (The "official" versus "practice" issue isn't really my main concern.)

I'd be more interested in just gathering info on resorts that officially allow uphill traffic either during, or outside of, operating hours.

What I know now is:

Waterville (when lifts aren't operating)
Wildcat (when lifts ARE operating, need "adventure" pass, and only on certain trails)
Wachusett (when lifts aren't operating)
Magic Mountain (anytime, suggested trails to follow)

[And others who allow it non-officially in a quiet way....]


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbo wrote:
FFS! vdrifter11, the OP asked about "New England" resorts' policies. If you know of any first hand, please comment. If not, start your own thread about anything else that is NOT about skinning on closed NEW ENGLAND resorts..... Rolling Eyes

Any info you post about anything else just buries any real info that could be gleaned.

seriously, go start another thread about whatever it is you're talking about. The debate about who has control over what land, leases, etc has been beaten many many times here. Feel free to dig one of those threads, start your own, heck start a bunch. But, don't beat that horse here. Please allow people to answer the actual question that was asked.
My bad..I assumed State and Fed policies would be sim across the country depending on lease details etc..maybe all resorts are on private land back there ?? And my post seemed to cause Aaron and Dr Telemark to jump with irrelevant info as well..I guess..anyways ..adios..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dauwhe wrote:
In the spirit of adding actual information to the thread, Magic Mountain has an official policy:

http://magicmtn.com/earn_your_turns.php

If there's a more perfect policy, I haven't seen it Smile

Dave


That's a delightfully refreshing policy.
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