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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobskiing wrote:

Re Dharma Bums: Underwhelmed.
Not my favorite either, just saying it was better than On the Road IMO. Kerouac is alright but I never understood the awe that some folks held for him.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied Kerouac's writing in university and came to a few conclusions concerning his cult popularity. First, he was part of a "movement." Overlapping with Kesey's fame and the Grateful Dead scene he had widespread appeal to the "flower child." The stream of consciousness techniques and his interest in eastern religion although not completely original were never previously accepted as "literature" by the pedagogy (still aren't in a lot of university circles). The poets of the Beat generation, especially Ginsberg, were more legitimate and to some degree in my opinion Kerouac rode their coats a bit.

Ultimately I think the 60's were as much about pop fashion, music, and literature as any real political statement. Conservative white suburban teenagers weren't going to protest the Watts riots, but they could listen to Bob Dylan on their record players while their parents weren't home. Kerouac helped them access the hobos, gays, eccentrics, and other true members of the "movement" so they could gain authenticity.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really loved reading Kerouac for a time-especially On the Road and Desolation Angels. However, I eventually came to like Henry Miller better. Try Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn if you haven't yet. Another good beat-like read without the beat predictability and repetition is Gingerbread Man or even The Floating Opera.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice suggestions... I think Miller brings more skill to his craft.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a long one
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonesinski wrote:
I really loved reading Kerouac for a time-especially On the Road and Desolation Angels. However, I eventually came to like Henry Miller better. Try Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn if you haven't yet. Another good beat-like read without the beat predictability and repetition is Gingerbread Man or even The Floating Opera.


That's "The Ginger Man" by donleavy I assume.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghostofcarl wrote:
jonesinski wrote:
I really loved reading Kerouac for a time-especially On the Road and Desolation Angels. However, I eventually came to like Henry Miller better. Try Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn if you haven't yet. Another good beat-like read without the beat predictability and repetition is Gingerbread Man or even The Floating Opera.


That's "The Ginger Man" by donleavy I assume.


Whoops. Yeah. It's been a few years. Great read though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprising, and yet not, that nobody has mentioned it:

On the Origin of Species
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonesinski wrote:
I really loved reading Kerouac for a time-especially On the Road and Desolation Angels. However, I eventually came to like Henry Miller better. Try Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn if you haven't yet. Another good beat-like read without the beat predictability and repetition is Gingerbread Man or even The Floating Opera.

I like Bukowski better than them all. I think the man lacked pretense and his writing seems so natural.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I liked Post Office.

Speaking of vaguely "beat" writers (and "sex romps"): Terry Southern's Blue Movie, while certainly dated, is one of the funniest books I've ever read.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_wright wrote:

I like Bukowski better than them all. I think the man lacked pretense


You must have skipped the stories where he stormed into licquor stores shouting "I am the world's greatest living author."
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lochsa wrote:
aaron_wright wrote:

I like Bukowski better than them all. I think the man lacked pretense


You must have skipped the stories where he stormed into licquor stores shouting "I am the world's greatest living author."
I love his drunken interviews on YouTube.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Darwin still rocks Reply with quote

3PinGrin wrote:
Surprising, and yet not, that nobody has mentioned it:

On the Origin of Species


I agree. I took a course in evolutionary theory back in college, and we had to buy a facsimile of the original first edition of 1859. I recently took it off the shelf and re-read it.

His style is elegant but only slightly dated and definitely not laden with heavy scientific language. Darwin figured this out by macro observation only--without any understanding of Mendelian genetics (which were being discovered at roughly the same time) or, obviously, the molecular basis for mutation.

This thread is no place for religio-political bloviating, but IMHO it should be required reading.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobskiing wrote:

Speaking of vaguely "beat" writers (and "sex romps"): Terry Southern's Blue Movie, while certainly dated, is one of the funniest books I've ever read.


I'll drink to that. A grand guy, that Terry Southern.
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