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 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject: Do ntn and ntbulldog/spike mount holes collide? |
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Scored a pair of 2011 k2 waybacks on spring sale. Will mount them with ntn, although they probably deserve something lighter. Which is where the dogs come in...
Assuming a mount on the boot center line; where will the screw holes for ntbulldogs end up in relation to the ntn mount?
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| I think you mean coincide, not collide. Although collide is funnier. |
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woodi7259
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Did a quick overlay based on the dims for the NTSpike and what I found for NTN online. NTdogs are the same without the extra set of holes 15mm towards the rear of the ski.
I used this NTN Template and I assumed the toe line was the same as the old school pin line
The two different line styles didn't come out as clear as I wanted them too but I think you should be able to get the idea from that...it should work fine.
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| Dirk wrote: | | I think you mean coincide, not collide. Although collide is funnier. |
Dirk, What are collide and coincide in Norwegian without using google translate?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Scottyrottan wrote: | | Dirk wrote: | | I think you mean coincide, not collide. Although collide is funnier. |
Dirk, What are collide and coincide in Norwegian without using google translate?
Jeg vet hva du mener Lars og vet ikke! |
Hah! I guess i'll have to play the "not my native language" card on that one.
Colliding Holes - A new progressive rock album out in record stores this spring.
And to woodi: Thanks a lot!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Dirk wrote: | | I think you mean coincide, not collide. Although collide is funnier. |
Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering ka-boom.
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| Onward wrote: | | Colliding Holes - A new progressive rock album out in record stores this spring. |
That works!
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| Onward wrote: | | Colliding Holes - A new progressive rock album out in record stores this spring. |
Or...the name of the porno my "friends" made in their basement 
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| woodi7259 wrote: | Did a quick overlay based on the dims for the NTSpike and what I found for NTN online. NTdogs are the same without the extra set of holes 15mm towards the rear of the ski.
I used this NTN Template and I assumed the toe line was the same as the old school pin line
The two different line styles didn't come out as clear as I wanted them too but I think you should be able to get the idea from that...it should work fine. |
Thanks Woody. It shows why the NTN mount is very resistant to pullout, even with a 4-hole mount, very stiff boots and most active setup : the rear holes are located so that the binding lever is greatly reduced.
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| woodi7259 wrote: | Did a quick overlay based on the dims for the NTSpike and what I found for NTN online. NTdogs are the same without the extra set of holes 15mm towards the rear of the ski.
I used this NTN Template and I assumed the toe line was the same as the old school pin line
The two different line styles didn't come out as clear as I wanted them too but I think you should be able to get the idea from that...it should work fine. |
Jeff,
How confident are you in your dimensions? I.e. If I plug this into autocad and print at 1:1, do you think it will be a reasonably good template? I'm doing this exact pattern with Quiver Killers next season.
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woodi7259
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| FlyingCow wrote: | | woodi7259 wrote: | Did a quick overlay based on the dims for the NTSpike and what I found for NTN online. NTdogs are the same without the extra set of holes 15mm towards the rear of the ski.
I used this NTN Template and I assumed the toe line was the same as the old school pin line
The two different line styles didn't come out as clear as I wanted them too but I think you should be able to get the idea from that...it should work fine. |
Jeff,
How confident are you in your dimensions? I.e. If I plug this into autocad and print at 1:1, do you think it will be a reasonably good template? I'm doing this exact pattern with Quiver Killers next season. |
I know the NTSpike dims are correct because I pulled them off the cad drawings myself. As for the NTN pattern I got that off the template I linked so you may want to double check yours against those. I'm pretty sure that is the latest NTN pattern so if you have some older generation it won't be the same. Also I put the "pin line" from the NTspike on the NTN boot toe line assuming they were the same but I guess if they weren't it could shift the mount a couple mm.
Do you have a copy of inventor? If so I can shoot you the IDW of that layout or I could send a full scale PDF if you'd like.
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Dirk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Scottyrottan wrote: | | Dirk wrote: | | I think you mean coincide, not collide. Although collide is funnier. |
Dirk, What are collide and coincide in Norwegian without using google translate?
Jeg vet hva du mener Lars og vet ikke! |
Ha! Way to call me out. I know some German, but no Norwegian. So maybe something like zusammenstossen, only with a few "j"s thrown in, and some more umlauts, and a line through the o?
Mostly I was just amusing myself with the image of two bindings hurtling toward each other at great speed. |
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x-eff
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| woodi7259 wrote: | | FlyingCow wrote: | | woodi7259 wrote: | Did a quick overlay based on the dims for the NTSpike and what I found for NTN online. NTdogs are the same without the extra set of holes 15mm towards the rear of the ski.
I used this NTN Template and I assumed the toe line was the same as the old school pin line
The two different line styles didn't come out as clear as I wanted them too but I think you should be able to get the idea from that...it should work fine. |
Jeff,
How confident are you in your dimensions? I.e. If I plug this into autocad and print at 1:1, do you think it will be a reasonably good template? I'm doing this exact pattern with Quiver Killers next season. |
I know the NTSpike dims are correct because I pulled them off the cad drawings myself. As for the NTN pattern I got that off the template I linked so you may want to double check yours against those. I'm pretty sure that is the latest NTN pattern so if you have some older generation it won't be the same. Also I put the "pin line" from the NTspike on the NTN boot toe line assuming they were the same but I guess if they weren't it could shift the mount a couple mm.
Do you have a copy of inventor? If so I can shoot you the IDW of that layout or I could send a full scale PDF if you'd like. |
Every NTN binding uses the same pattern, regardless of the version. The older plates don't use the middle holes, so it was basically the same Rottefella pattern that's been around for years, except it's moved rearward.
Up to last year, they were could also use the G3 pattern (same as NTDogs), but the fore/aft boot location is different.
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woodi7259
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| x-eff wrote: | | woodi7259 wrote: | | FlyingCow wrote: | | woodi7259 wrote: | Did a quick overlay based on the dims for the NTSpike and what I found for NTN online. NTdogs are the same without the extra set of holes 15mm towards the rear of the ski.
I used this NTN Template and I assumed the toe line was the same as the old school pin line
The two different line styles didn't come out as clear as I wanted them too but I think you should be able to get the idea from that...it should work fine. |
Jeff,
How confident are you in your dimensions? I.e. If I plug this into autocad and print at 1:1, do you think it will be a reasonably good template? I'm doing this exact pattern with Quiver Killers next season. |
I know the NTSpike dims are correct because I pulled them off the cad drawings myself. As for the NTN pattern I got that off the template I linked so you may want to double check yours against those. I'm pretty sure that is the latest NTN pattern so if you have some older generation it won't be the same. Also I put the "pin line" from the NTspike on the NTN boot toe line assuming they were the same but I guess if they weren't it could shift the mount a couple mm.
Do you have a copy of inventor? If so I can shoot you the IDW of that layout or I could send a full scale PDF if you'd like. |
Every NTN binding uses the same pattern, regardless of the version. The older plates don't use the middle holes, so it was basically the same Rottefella pattern that's been around for years, except it's moved rearward.
Up to last year, they were could also use the G3 pattern (same as NTDogs), but the fore/aft boot location is different. |
Thanks for clarifying that, I knew nothing of NTN mounting patterns other than what I just looked up to make this layout.
The NTN mount definitely looks like a very solid one with all the mounting holes towards the rear of binding.
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