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telewoman



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:03 am    Post subject: To All Backcountry Skiers: Reply with quote

Very sobering story...Condolences to all involved. May we all learn from it.
http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/backcountry-skiing-t57823.html
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lochsa



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, a good narrative. Lots of lessons in there; it expresses well the narrowing of vision, the failure of one's own mind and body to cooperate under stress,how 'having skied the backcountry for thirty years' can mean very little at times.
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tOMfLOUNDER



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting, thoughts & prayers to friends & family.

All the best, tOM
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stevesliva



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crap.

But we need to know what beacon he had. Or maybe it was just the batteries. Which you can warm up.
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lochsa



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevesliva wrote:
Crap.

But we need to know what beacon he had. Or maybe it was just the batteries. Which you can warm up.


it was interesting how long it took him to realize he could use the other skier's beacon . . . and how he didn't know how once he had it. Experience with many different kinds of beacons besides one's own could be very useful (and new batteries).
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Shan



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yikes Shocked
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seki



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sobering.

Thanks for posting, telewoman.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Telewoman--you might want to edit the title to give a more specific idea what this thread's about--this is one of the most interesting and useful first-hand avalanche accounts I've seen. Thanks for the link.
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Matt J



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

truly a tragedy

having heard first hand accounts of someone who has experienced a full burial I think these narratives are sobering and informative

I think of my buddy's story whenever we're deciding whether a slope is safe or not

it's important to know that no matter which side of a burial you're on it's truly harrowing
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:30 pm    Post subject: wow... Reply with quote

i shuddered reading that account
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scary. It strikes me that there should be some kind of standard for transceivers, so that anybody can use anybody else's beacon.
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Nick (AT)



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scaramouch wrote:
Scary. It strikes me that there should be some kind of standard for transceivers, so that anybody can use anybody else's beacon.


There IS a standard for beacons. But it does not say anything about the user interface. And I find it hard to imagine one ever being agreed that does. The standard was written back in the days of analogue beacons and if it covered the user interface then directional arrows, distance readouts and multiple search functions would all be non-compliant.
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risk.reduction



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, how about not triggering avalanches in the first place? Terrain suitable for the conditions....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the post!

I was thirsty for some more details:

CAA report: (narrow results to 2011 and find by the date 2/26/11)
http://www.avalanche.ca/cac/library/incident-report-database/view

Avy forecast for that day:
http://www.avalanche.ca/cac/bulletins/archive/northwest-bc/28081

Stay safe out there.
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hutguy



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As heart wrenching as first hand narratives like this are, IMO they are some of the best teaching tools available. You can go back over them and point out the mistakes made in real world situations and show how easy it is to find yourself in a dicey situation.

As RR pointed out, , best is not getting yourself in a situation like this i the first place, no doubt that's the best option, but as we all know, getting yourself into a bad spot can happen to anyone, especially if you let your guard down or don't listen to your inner alarm.
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