teacher unions are all about tenured incompetent teacheres being able to keep their jobs
bullshit. and if you think teachers have it easy, why dont you fucck off and be one? _________________ When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion.
- C. P. Snow
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject:
NoOneInParticular wrote:
robrox wrote:
Five Day Work Week
8 hour Work Day
Maternity Leave
Sick Time
Vacation...
kiss it all goodbye if the logical conclusion of this agenda succeeds nationwide.
Tunisians and Egyptians realize their popular strength as US Americans permit theirs to be whittled away....
bullshit
teacher unions are all about tenured incompetent teacheres being able to keep their jobs
A lot of skulls were crushed by Pinkertons and others even less savory in the course of winning the above rights in a horribly hostile nation.
Focus is a personal matter, one sees what one wants to. Aparently you can't help seeing the mean poor thing that is painted for you to see by those who hate the thought of productive people banding together to protect their collective investment in the ecomomic realities. _________________ "Moderate is not the new Low" - Chris Joosen, USFS Lead Snow Ranger (Tuckerman Ravine, White Mountains National Forest)
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject:
Elections have consequences and the public service unions are going to find out just what that means.
Wall Street Journal wrote:
Public unions have a monopoly position that gives them undue bargaining power. Their campaign cash—collected via mandatory dues—also helps to elect the politicians who are then supposed to represent taxpayers in negotiations with those same unions. The unions sit, in effect, on both sides of the bargaining table. This is why such famous political friends of the working man as Franklin Roosevelt and Fiorello La Guardia opposed collective bargaining for government workers, even as they championed private unions.
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The battle of Mad Town is a seminal showdown over whether government union power can be tamed, and overall government reined in. The alternative is higher taxes until the middle class is picked clean and the U.S. economy is no longer competitive. Voters said in November that they want reform, and Mr. Walker is trying to deliver. We hope Republicans hold firm, and that the people of Wisconsin understand that this battle is ultimately about their right to self-government
Elections have consequences and the public service unions are going to find out just what that means.
Yeah, but you'll keep doing that accunting thing to make sure wealthy folk get big ol' returns, eh Peyote. Lame _________________ "I am in fact a captain of industry." - Raze
With unions, it's NEVER, ever about the money. There are always more principled reasons... this is about human rights!!! But what better example of principle than lying to impressionable children with respect to your whereabouts.
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Many of the protesters, including Laurie Bauer, 51, had been on hand since Tuesday, with no plans to leave until the issue is resolved.
"It's one thing about the money. We'd be willing to negotiate the money," said Bauer, a library media specialist at Parker High School in Janesville. But "he's trying to take away our human rights. . . . I don't want my kids living in a state like that."
Governor Walker is facing a $3.6 billion budget deficit, and he wants state workers to pay one-half of their pension costs and 12.6 percent of their health benefits. Currently, most state employees pay nothing for their pensions and virtually nothing for their health insurance. That’s an outrage.
Nationwide, state and local government unions have a 45 percent total-compensation advantage over their private-sector counterpart. With high-pay compensation and virtually no benefits co-pay, the politically arrogant unions are bankrupting America — which by some estimates is suffering from $3 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
So... when does the union violence begin?
_________________ Obama's IRS: Dept. of Tolerance, Punish Your Enemies Division. Sgt. Schultz, Director
Governor Walker is facing a $3.6 billion budget deficit,
did you know he had a surplus when he took office, but blew it all on tax breaks for wealthy business owners?
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The governor called a special session of the legislature and signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it helped turn a surplus into a deficit. As Brian Beutler writes, "public workers are being asked to pick up the tab for this agenda."
_________________ When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion.
- C. P. Snow
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:50 pm Post subject:
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I'm curious why you obviously think the Boards of major corporations would be motivated to keep an overpaid, incompetent CEO on the payroll ??
Recent history perhaps?
Enron, Lehman, Goldman, AIG, GM, Ford? Do I need to go on? _________________ “at core, men are afraid women will laugh at them, while at core, women are afraid men will kill them. And probably because they deserve it."
I'm curious why you obviously think the Boards of major corporations would be motivated to keep an overpaid, incompetent CEO on the payroll ??
Because I've worked for said corps? 7 years, stock price still in the shitter, CEO still in place. Another, shitty, corp where the CEO has looted said corp.
And that's before we get to the BOD - who are often lazy, incompetent and runumerated as well as many line workers.
There's a whole lot of fat in American business, things will get ugly when it's gone.
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I'm curious why you obviously think the Boards of major corporations would be motivated to keep an overpaid executive on the payroll ??
Who do you think comprises these boards? They have nearly no motivation to do anything else.
I disagree. If the guy is underperforming and overpaid, there is absolutely no upside in keeping him around and in fact, the downside risk for Board members is substantial. This cozy, incestuous relationship that you're always trying to make a case for just doesn't exist in the vast majority of big American companies. Yeah, I'm sure you can find a handful of these cases every year, but I think there's about 6,000 publicly owned companies in America and the vast majority are run by honest, ethical Boards and management teams. Coming from someone who works for the poster child for corporate America, your zeal on this issue is a riot....or, are you the only stand-up guy at the company??? _________________ "Take it from a member of the male species, walking around in public with an erection is somewhat of an embarrassment unless you are a bit..... off"........Bunion
Yep...you do. You've got a very long f*cking way to go to convince me that the majority of American companies have corrupt Boards and management teams. _________________ "Take it from a member of the male species, walking around in public with an erection is somewhat of an embarrassment unless you are a bit..... off"........Bunion
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I disagree. If the guy is underperforming and overpaid, there is absolutely no upside in keeping him around and in fact, the downside risk for Board members is substantial.
uh, what? they'd lose their cushy jobs and get another? Or they'd get sued by investors and have the company pay all the legal bills. Like what would happen if they commited a crime (waves to Angelo)
I'm curious why you obviously think the Boards of major corporations would be motivated to keep an overpaid, incompetent CEO on the payroll ??
Because I've worked for said corps? 7 years, stock price still in the shitter, CEO still in place. Another, shitty, corp where the CEO has looted said corp.
And that's before we get to the BOD - who are often lazy, incompetent and runumerated as well as many line workers.
There's a whole lot of fat in American business, things will get ugly when it's gone.
Stock price in the shitter ??? Every stop to think it might be because you worked there ?? _________________ "Take it from a member of the male species, walking around in public with an erection is somewhat of an embarrassment unless you are a bit..... off"........Bunion
I disagree. If the guy is underperforming and overpaid, there is absolutely no upside in keeping him around and in fact, the downside risk for Board members is substantial.
uh, what? they'd lose their cushy jobs and get another? Or they'd get sued by investors and have the company pay all the legal bills. Like what would happen if they commited a crime (waves to Angelo)
Yeah....there's a LOT of billionaire directors that would put their personal net worths at risk so they can keep those lucrative meeting fees !!!!
You're clueless. Sounds to me like you've got a chip on your shoulder. _________________ "Take it from a member of the male species, walking around in public with an erection is somewhat of an embarrassment unless you are a bit..... off"........Bunion
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