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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:52 am Post subject:
Wisconsin = the "Laboratory of Democracy"
Several days of protests continue at the capitol city of Madison with more people each day... 20,000 people on Thursday and more expected Friday. 14 Democratic state senators skipped town across state lines so quorum was not met. If Wisconsin goes down this path, surely other states will follow suit.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject:
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Law enforcement officers are searching for Democratic senators boycotting a Senate vote on Gov. Scott Walker's budget-repair plan Thursday in an attempt to bring the lawmakers to the floor to allow Republicans to move forward with action on the bill.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject:
Five Day Work Week
8 hour Work Day
Maternity Leave
Sick Time
Vacation...
kiss it all goodbye if the logical conclusion of this agenda succeeds nationwide.
Tunisians and Egyptians realize their popular strength as US Americans permit theirs to be whittled away.... _________________ "Moderate is not the new Low" - Chris Joosen, USFS Lead Snow Ranger (Tuckerman Ravine, White Mountains National Forest)
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:04 pm Post subject:
You know, if big businesses wanted to be more profitable and competitive, they should stop paying their execs so much for in essence very little real work. They should also embrace single payer health care and get themselves out of the health care business. _________________
You know, if big businesses wanted to be more profitable and competitive, they should stop paying their execs so much for in essence very little real work. They should also embrace single payer health care and get themselves out of the health care business.
What a riot....like you'd have any f*cking clue about how hard big business executives work !! _________________ "Take it from a member of the male species, walking around in public with an erection is somewhat of an embarrassment unless you are a bit..... off"........Bunion
Five Day Work Week
8 hour Work Day
Maternity Leave
Sick Time
Vacation...
kiss it all goodbye if the logical conclusion of this agenda succeeds nationwide.
Tunisians and Egyptians realize their popular strength as US Americans permit theirs to be whittled away....
It's gonna be a tough transition for a lot of government hacks !!! Not easy actually starting to work for a living at mid-life. Oh well, welcome to the real world ! _________________ "Take it from a member of the male species, walking around in public with an erection is somewhat of an embarrassment unless you are a bit..... off"........Bunion
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 7105 Location: Breckenridge CO
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject:
Sugarloafer wrote:
rsireland3 wrote:
You know, if big businesses wanted to be more profitable and competitive, they should stop paying their execs so much for in essence very little real work. They should also embrace single payer health care and get themselves out of the health care business.
What a riot....like you'd have any f*cking clue about how hard big business executives work !!
Well, garbage men work hard too and preform a pretty vital role. (ever been in a city where there has been a sanitation workers strike?) Ski patrollers work hard and you may someday find yourself in a situation where your very life is in their hands, what would you think if they decided to ask for their full market value at that point?
Teacher work their asses off, play a vital role in our society and future competitiveness - You think they should be paid wages that at best are on the lower end of lower middle class?
The way compensation works in our system is f**ked up IMO. While I don't advocate a socialist model of a classless society, I do think that if the system was a bit less top heavy and anybody who is willing to work hard and perform their job well should at least be able to make a dignified living wage. Not only do I think this is ethically right, it make sense from a sociological and economic point of view.
Think back to what many conservatives think as the "good old days" In post war America, Unions were strong and working class people could at least join the lower middle class, provide for their families, pay their bills. Now, with the bottom 2/3 of the wage earners falling further and further behind and the top 1/3 pulling further and further ahead, we're in difficult times. Of course they're difficult for a myriad of reasons, but the creation of a persistent, large underclass is something that IMO, is not healthy on a lot of fronts for the country. _________________ Creeds and doctrines are like a raft to get you to the other shore and then to relinquish. Neither cling to the raft or reject it when drowning. Even better, become a strong swimmer.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject:
hutguy wrote:
Sugarloafer wrote:
rsireland3 wrote:
You know, if big businesses wanted to be more profitable and competitive, they should stop paying their execs so much for in essence very little real work. They should also embrace single payer health care and get themselves out of the health care business.
What a riot....like you'd have any f*cking clue about how hard big business executives work !!
Well, garbage men work hard too and preform a pretty vital role. (ever been in a city where there has been a sanitation workers strike?) Ski patrollers work hard and you may someday find yourself in a situation where your very life is in their hands, what would you think if they decided to ask for their full market value at that point?
Teacher work their asses off, play a vital role in our society and future competitiveness - You think they should be paid wages that at best are on the lower end of lower middle class?
The way compensation works in our system is f**ked up IMO. While I don't advocate a socialist model of a classless society, I do think that if the system was a bit less top heavy and anybody who is willing to work hard and perform their job well should at least be able to make a dignified living wage. Not only do I think this is ethically right, it make sense from a sociological and economic point of view.
Think back to what many conservatives think as the "good old days" In post war America, Unions were strong and working class people could at least join the lower middle class, provide for their families, pay their bills. Now, with the bottom 2/3 of the wage earners falling further and further behind and the top 1/3 pulling further and further ahead, we're in difficult times. Of course they're difficult for a myriad of reasons, but the creation of a persistent, large underclass is something that IMO, is not healthy on a lot of fronts for the country.
careful, there, HG. You're attacking the very foundation of the complacent smugness of SL and Rolled Oats. They might come after you with everything they've got. Better get out the galoshes.
What a riot....like you'd have any f*cking clue about how hard big business executives work !!
If by working hard you're referring to high levels of manipulation and pushing the legal limits in order to maximize profits, then yes, those cocksuckers are hard working mofos.
Those "hard working" execs oughtta try the handle end of a shovel sometime -- if only to clean up their own shit. Scum, just like you, Shug.
_________________ "I am in fact a captain of industry." - Raze
You know, if big businesses wanted to be more profitable and competitive, they should stop paying their execs so much for in essence very little real work. They should also embrace single payer health care and get themselves out of the health care business.
What a riot....like you'd have any f*cking clue about how hard big business executives work !!
You must not have a copulating clue how hard some of them DONT work.
Like every other profession in America there's a spread.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject:
Sugarloafer wrote:
rsireland3 wrote:
You know, if big businesses wanted to be more profitable and competitive, they should stop paying their execs so much for in essence very little real work. They should also embrace single payer health care and get themselves out of the health care business.
What a riot....like you'd have any f*cking clue about how hard big business executives work !!
Do they get their suits dirty and sweaty out on the shop floor? If they do, then I got sympathy. If by "hard work" you mean closing a deal over a game of golf or a gourmet meal, then that's maybe worth half a million, tops, if you been at it for 40 years. Even still, paying someone $400K is saying they do ten times the work of someone making $40K. Schmoozing the old boys' network is hardly worth that. So $40 Million? Do they really, truly do 1000 times more actual work? _________________
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject:
rsireland3 wrote:
Schmoozing the old boys' network is hardly worth that. So $40 Million? Do they really, truly do 1000 times more actual work?
but many are born to this kind of schmoozing, and know nothing else. Hereditary schmoozers are the aristocracy, and must be given their due (a nice sharp guillotine blade, perhaps?).
Sometimes they let the hoi polloi play, thereby ensuring slobbering sycophants like Sugarloafer.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject:
lochsa wrote:
rsireland3 wrote:
Schmoozing the old boys' network is hardly worth that. So $40 Million? Do they really, truly do 1000 times more actual work?
but many are born to this kind of schmoozing, and know nothing else. Hereditary schmoozers are the aristocracy, and must be given their due (a nice sharp guillotine blade, perhaps?).
Sometimes they let the hoi polloi play, thereby ensuring slobbering sycophants like Sugarloafer.
You're painting with as broad a brush here as you accuse Loaf and Otis as painting with. I've known and worked with plenty of white collar, executive class folks who are honest, hard working people who do a lot of good things. As someone mentioned, there's a balance of good and bad all the way up and down the socioeconomic scale.
My point is the whole compensation balance has systematically gotten out of whack. As mentioned, is anyone in our society worth 100 or 1000 times the compensation of another? Obviously a great gap between the haves and have nots isn't anything new, but history has shown that civilizations generally don't prosper or last long when the gap between rich and poor grows larger and larger.
I don't begrudge someone who has the talent, smarts, work ethic, education and yes, luck to make a good, comfortable and even lucrative living, I just think the balance has gotten out of whack and it's not a good thing. I think a strong working and middle class is healthy in a lot of ways and if that means the pie is divided up a bit more equitably at the expense of the top 1/3 I don't think anyones going to miss any meals or be any less comfortable for it. _________________ Creeds and doctrines are like a raft to get you to the other shore and then to relinquish. Neither cling to the raft or reject it when drowning. Even better, become a strong swimmer.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject:
hutguy wrote:
lochsa wrote:
rsireland3 wrote:
Schmoozing the old boys' network is hardly worth that. So $40 Million? Do they really, truly do 1000 times more actual work?
but many are born to this kind of schmoozing, and know nothing else. Hereditary schmoozers are the aristocracy, and must be given their due (a nice sharp guillotine blade, perhaps?).
Sometimes they let the hoi polloi play, thereby ensuring slobbering sycophants like Sugarloafer.
You're painting with as broad a brush here as you accuse Loaf and Otis as painting with. I've known and worked with plenty of white collar, executive class folks who are honest, hard working people who do a lot of good things. As someone mentioned, there's a balance of good and bad all the way up and down the socioeconomic scale.
My point is the whole compensation balance has systematically gotten out of whack. As mentioned, is anyone in our society worth 100 or 1000 times the compensation of another? Obviously a great gap between the haves and have nots isn't anything new, but history has shown that civilizations generally don't prosper or last long when the gap between rich and poor grows larger and larger.
I don't begrudge someone who has the talent, smarts, work ethic, education and yes, luck to make a good, comfortable and even lucrative living, I just think the balance has gotten out of whack and it's not a good thing. I think a strong working and middle class is healthy in a lot of ways and if that means the pie is divided up a bit more equitably at the expense of the top 1/3 I don't think anyones going to miss any meals or be any less comfortable for it.
Right on. A voice of reason. _________________ otis
Federal policy is dividing society between "those who work for a living and those who vote for a living".
-H.L. Mencken
All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher.
-Ambrose Bierce
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