Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Northern Virginia, soon to be SLC
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject:
Yeah....got it. I have a kid, too. I'm pushing 48. Old injuries from stupid kid tricks and 25 years active duty creep up. But... My knees still work great, I maintain fitness as a lifestyle, and I still love telemark turns. I use AT when i need it (as described above). However, I am going to Tele in the BC 'cause I enjoy it. I'll constantly eval avy hazards and turn around when I should...I had my share of close calls. I'll mitigate risk that way until I come up with a workable rig, or when Telebry comes out with an AXL ready model. I didn't want this to turn into a 75mm vs. NTN vs. AT vs. 7tm vs. Don't even go skiing debate. I just wanted to see if others out there knew of potential ways to release from standard Tele gear when faced with an imminent slide. At the end of the day... I am fine with whatever method anyone wants to use to go up or down snow covered mountains...it's your own choice as free Americans.
So....does anyone have any other method that they have tried for releasing their standard Tele bindings quickly? Thanks!!
There's no proof in the reliability of anything...from Avalungs to beacons and float bags. But, I am really enjoying life, and love skiing, so I will take every step I can to mitigate the risk associated. It is a BIG part of why I have moved back towards AT...I just do not feel comfortable with the possibility that skis stuck on my feet will be the biggest mistake I ever make, especially when I can choose to ski something that has the possibility of release.
I can say, too, that my Dynafit rig releases when it's supposed to. I have the DIN at 10, and have come out several times when I get too far back on a pillow or landing a small drop. I have come out when I stuffed my tips in a tree well. Never have I feared for my knees, and I sincerely feel that the forces of an avalanche would be sufficient to pull my skis off.
A few years ago I started getting really worried about my skis staying on my feet. So worried I wasn't sure about skiing backcountry anymore. So, I am really glad to have an option I like that mitigates this. I'd rather ski backcountry than be a tele faithful.
Next purchase is a Float bag. I just keep thinking "Why not? Why would I ski without when I have the choice to ski with? Why take that extra risk?"
X2. I was caught two years ago and both skis were gone in a heart beat. Spent a while digging them out. Probably the least of my worries.
I luv arguments about the effectiveness of safety equipment, but this much is for certain...if you don't have it, you don't have to worry so much about it not working. _________________ ~km
"Everyday is a potential avalanche day."
-Missiongravity
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 10579 Location: Parker, CO and proud of it!
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject:
keithermadness wrote:
climbhoser wrote:
There's no proof in the reliability of anything...from Avalungs to beacons and float bags. But, I am really enjoying life, and love skiing, so I will take every step I can to mitigate the risk associated. It is a BIG part of why I have moved back towards AT...I just do not feel comfortable with the possibility that skis stuck on my feet will be the biggest mistake I ever make, especially when I can choose to ski something that has the possibility of release.
I can say, too, that my Dynafit rig releases when it's supposed to. I have the DIN at 10, and have come out several times when I get too far back on a pillow or landing a small drop. I have come out when I stuffed my tips in a tree well. Never have I feared for my knees, and I sincerely feel that the forces of an avalanche would be sufficient to pull my skis off.
A few years ago I started getting really worried about my skis staying on my feet. So worried I wasn't sure about skiing backcountry anymore. So, I am really glad to have an option I like that mitigates this. I'd rather ski backcountry than be a tele faithful.
Next purchase is a Float bag. I just keep thinking "Why not? Why would I ski without when I have the choice to ski with? Why take that extra risk?"
X2. I was caught two years ago and both skis were gone in a heart beat. Spent a while digging them out. Probably the least of my worries.
I luv arguments about the effectiveness of safety equipment, but this much is for certain...if you don't have it, you don't have to worry so much about it not working.
I like you more and more every day (not in that kinda way, sicko). _________________ "To me Plastic boots are kind of like a condom on the experience." -light skier-
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson-
Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Northern Virginia, soon to be SLC
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject:
The dilemma is solved for me...I got in contact with Telebry and their standard release plate with wide brakes will fit my AXL / Team 100 set up. The Telebry will add approx. 16 oz to each ski, so not too bad on weight....not that that was the primary concern. The safety gained will be worth it.
Anyone have prior experience with the Safeouts? How are they in comparison to the Voile release system? If they work well for me....I'll probably get other skis in the quiver set up with them in the future.
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2367 Location: Colorado
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject:
alpendrms wrote:
Telekopter & Skibum:
Thanks for your perspectives on this. Yeah, I know that things would be safer with release plates, but I just got the AXL's after a long wait for the newly improved model from 22 Designs, so I really don't want to switch.
As long as you accept the greater risk potential, using non-releasable bindings is fine. I do think you can get top rate tele bindings that release if you ever choose. In the end, I am sure not getting caught makes a much bigger improvement than worrying about which binding improves our chances.
alpendrms wrote:
I've read something somebody wrote before about an "Avalanche Release System", where you would pull some type of quick release if caught in a slide.
Several of my splitboard friends have little accessory ropes attached to their bindings with the idea of pulling the eject if they need. Fortunately, I don't think any of them have been caught. So I can not give any direct feedback on their effectiveness.
Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Northern Virginia, soon to be SLC
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject:
skibum wrote:
alpendrms wrote:
Telekopter & Skibum:
Thanks for your perspectives on this. Yeah, I know that things would be safer with release plates, but I just got the AXL's after a long wait for the newly improved model from 22 Designs, so I really don't want to switch.
As long as you accept the greater risk potential, using non-releasable bindings is fine. I do think you can get top rate tele bindings that release if you ever choose. In the end, I am sure not getting caught makes a much bigger improvement than worrying about which binding improves our chances.
alpendrms wrote:
I've read something somebody wrote before about an "Avalanche Release System", where you would pull some type of quick release if caught in a slide.
Several of my splitboard friends have little accessory ropes attached to their bindings with the idea of pulling the eject if they need. Fortunately, I don't think any of them have been caught. So I can not give any direct feedback on their effectiveness.
Good Beta....see my post above yours. The standard model Safeout does, in fact, work with the AXL. I plan to get a pair as soon as I can after recovering from all of the X-Mas spending. Until then....yes, it's about avoiding getting caught and adding rip cords as an interim fix before I install Safeouts. Be safe out there in those hills!
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