2 arrested cutting backcountry ski run

cwfish · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Montpelier, VT

Caught this in today's paper:
http://timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070803/THISJUSTIN/70803001

heyyou · Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:33 am Post subject:

Dumbasses.

Should've selectively thinned and everyone knows you cut low with the chainsaw muffler down, just off the ground.
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SFKATT · Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 271 Location: VT & NH

At least they could have said EXACTLY where it is so I would not have to look for it! I mean, they went to all that trouble, the damage has been done, SOMEBODY might as well ski it!

TT

robrox · Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject:

Tools!
...that is, they would have been better off to work more slowly and with hand tools....and 60' clear cut, in avvy terrain?

That's just NUMB!

That will show if the October update to terraserver comes close enough to a snowfall.
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geo · Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject:

46 and 47 ?????

I was thinkin maybe 27 and 27....

Having cut swaths by hand and/or with chainsaws (on private/communal property) my main reaction is:

Shocked

stevesliva · Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 4338 Location: SLC

It's interesting that there was a delay between the complaint and the arrests. They weren't caught up there with chainsaws in hand. So I wonder if that means that the police actually went up there and took a look? Would they arrest them if it wasn't total carnage up there?

George W. Hayduke · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 60 Location: Fort Fun

Sigh...
It is the sign of the times;
you all should see the discussion of stashing bouldering crash pads in wilderness areas of Mt. Evans and RMNP here in Colorado. This irresponsible self entitlement attitude in our society is getting outta hand;
Here are the links to the forums on Front Range Bouldering and Mountain Project, they are sad (to see people advocating resource degradation and poor wilderness ethics) and somehow a little entertaining;

http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1186181235&user=mbrooks

and

http://www.mountainproject.com/v/colorado__rocky_mountain_region/stashed_crash_pads_in_rmnp/105999389

willis · Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 122

Some dipstick did the same thing near where I live in Utah. What was even better, he got the Boy Scouts of America to do it as a project so he could drive his ATV up to three lakes. The Forest Service caught him and it cost him over $200,000 to restore the trail. Too bad the piece of s--t could pay the fine. These two guys burn their as--s. All this does is make it more difficult for all of us to use both private and forest service land. Twisted Evil

skibum · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 1847 Location: Colorado

My question is WHY? What a stupid thing to do. Ski area tickets are cheap compared with the work of cutting your own ski area. Plus, then you still have to earn your turns. I can not even imagine skiing the same boring short run for a whole season???

stevesliva · Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 4338 Location: SLC

This would have been lift-serviced, car parked at bottom. There are lots of trails like it in the east, where truly natural glades don't often happen to be off the back of ski areas.

I've skied my share of other folks' hard work with pruning shears. And saws. The better runs go really easy on the saws. The trees are nice to keep around. Better snow.

Which is why I wonder how badly they cleared things out.

heyyou · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:13 am Post subject:

chadh · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:04 am Post subject:

I was up on jay for the jay challenge cheering a friend on and saw the carnage - its absolutely ridiculous, you will have no problem finding, in fact you will likely be able to drive a car down it, these goofs have likely f'ed up the drainage now and I wouldn't be surprised if in heavy rain over the years this ends up totally shitting up big jay

they (state forest dept) did hike it to assess the carnage, they also did the investigation, and it isn't to hard in these parts to find two knuckle heads bragging in a bar about destroying state land

the sad part is it didn't need to be done - if it can't be cleared with shears and a bow saw there is no need to ski it

yad · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 505 Location: Somerville, MA

Damn, what a way to ruin part of a great backcountry playground.

Dirk · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 4197 Location: Vermont

The really dumb part is that Big Jay is probably the most high-profile off-piste car shuttle destination in the state. Not only are there plenty of natural lines already, but something of that magnitude was sure to be spotted pretty quickly.

I've seen plenty of overzealous line clearing on state land on Camel's Hump and in the Notch, but 60 feet wide is just ridiculous.

teleVTpow · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 903 Location: Deep in The Bush