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Jedi Bob



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: "Skier 3" on CriTeleTique Reply with quote

Video is here.

Transitions are a little rough. Needs to get his head under control if he wants to make his way on more challenging terrain.
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herridge



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good to me, seeing as how I can't do that at all. Now that I have new skis with turned up tails I guess I'll have to try it.

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Brenda



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cewl.
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Grant



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that guys got his skis on backwards. Shocked
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Medeba Guy!



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should have posted this on the thread where we are talking about backwards tele turns - http://www.telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2080&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Thanks fo the vid. It is cool!
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kr00necker



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work...

as is always the case for telemark...commit more pressure to the back leg. The more you commit, the more stable it feels and the ski wont float around as much
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BigG



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I cannot even manage one reverse tele, I've no room to criticise, but if there's no weight on the back foot are they kram-a-ekafs?
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Medeba Guy!



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigG wrote:
Since I cannot even manage one reverse tele, I've no room to criticise, but if there's no weight on the back foot are they kram-a-ekafs?


kram-a-ekafs - now there is a new term. But I would guess that it would be the opposite, learning to weight the uphill ski.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right, Medeba Guy! The way I think about telemarking backwards is that everything is backwards. Laughing

Not that I'm any good at it. I too suffer from the same tentative transitions.
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Todd G



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good submission -- there are apparently a few of us interested in this skill, judging by this and other recent threads. Keep at it, Skier 3 -- you'll get it. Remember to weight the uphill -- non-"lead" -- ski. I'm no expert on this, but when I work on it I sometimes think about letting the downhill (dropped-knee, lead) ski function something like a carving outrigger: its job is to help with steering, but the primary weight is on the uphill/rear ski.

I've been practicing this more and more. This morning I even tried it for a short pitch on a pre-work backcountry tour. (Twintips would have helped, but neutral-ish Superloops made it easier to keep the weight balanced on the uphill ski.) I'm still working on it the non-Tak/Cesare/Skier3 way -- my downhill ski turns around my uphill ski with edges opposite to forward-telemarking. Once I get that a little better I'll work on it the way everyone else does it!

Skier3, I don't alternate shoulders when looking while skiing backwards. You make good use of counter-rotation, but I'm concerned that switching shoulders can lead to too much counter-rotation. Consider trying a one-shoulder approach (on a non-crowded trail) and seeing if it works for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question is: which shoulder should you be looking over?

If you think about the forward tele: the upper body is still, while the lower body is rotating. In other words, w.r.t. the lower body, the upper body is counter-rotating.

So now take it backwards. The upper body should be counter-rotating. If you look over your shoulder that is on the outside of the turn, as Skier 3 is doing, you would NOT be counter-rotating. In fact, you would tend to over-rotate, which could explain why Skier 3 is having rough transitions. What would happen if you looked over the shoulder on the inside of the turn?

Huge Frick'n Disclaimer: Not that I have any personal experience with this. Hmm, something to try this weekend. Definitely on a well-groomed Greenie.
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Medeba Guy!



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

granular wrote:
My question is: which shoulder should you be looking over?

If you think about the forward tele: the upper body is still, while the lower body is rotating. In other words, w.r.t. the lower body, the upper body is counter-rotating.

So now take it backwards. The upper body should be counter-rotating. If you look over your shoulder that is on the outside of the turn, as Skier 3 is doing, you would NOT be counter-rotating. In fact, you would tend to over-rotate, which could explain why Skier 3 is having rough transitions. What would happen if you looked over the shoulder on the inside of the turn?

Huge Frick'n Disclaimer: Not that I have any personal experience with this. Hmm, something to try this weekend. Definitely on a well-groomed Greenie.


If I understand it correctly the problem that I can see with that is that your head would be changing sides for each turn as you look over the opposite shoulder. I can see how it would help your skiing but it makes me a bit dizzy moving my head so much.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was teleing with a chick the other day who went top to bottom and was linking turns like most going forward. Mighty impressed to say the least.
I didnt even attempt it.
It was the first time I had skied with her and I thought as it was her first time going backwards that she was very good or it was very easy. The she turned around and went forward.
Damn these Norwegian chicks are good.
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