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ed



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks wow. I haven't been out much this year. Is good snow hard to find now? My guess is that everything exposed to sun got very soggy. And maybe everyting got soggy.

I'm thinking cabin run is around 30 degrees, maybe a touch steeper up in the scoured area near the ridge. Maybe my slope angle is not accurate? Did cabin run slide due to wet snow?

I consider the last pic a dangerous slope in questionable conditions but people are always skiing it.

I am suprised (and a bit confused) by the fact that cabin run slid and the the last pic didn't. I assumed this is explained by afternoon warming.

And one more question: was cabin run the location of a night time avy death two years ago, or was that higher up the ridge?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find your shovel Wow?

(heard from an inside source)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthew wrote:

BTW, we skied down right at 3pm after spending all day on the ridgeline


Yes, I noticed that by looking at all of Bruce's pictures! It was fun to follow the picture trail on the ava website, and even better viewing it from the safe spot in my office. Wink
Laughing

... and no, that doesn't make me an lazy boy recliner observer, I get out there, too. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed wrote:

And one more question: was cabin run the location of a night time avy death two years ago, or was that higher up the ridge?


It was further up the ridge: Crying or Very sad

http://www.avalanche.org/%7Euac/photos/Images02-03/Gobblers_2-15-03/Gobblers.htm

we could probably divert this to the ava talk forum (if ya' wanna')for further discussion ... ?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your avi's out there made GMA,abc news this sun. morn.
That may bring in a few more thrill seekers.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polelockski wrote:
Your avi's out there made GMA,abc news this sun. morn.
That may bring in a few more thrill seekers.


they might want to read this first:

http://www.avalanche.org/%7Euac/advisory_w_glossary.htm

Drew Hardesty wrote this in the ava forecast this morning:

"Most old-timers are at the resorts, rock climbing, or hiding under the bed."

Are you hiding under your bed yet wow? ... not that you would be in that category, or anything. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joni, I'm not under the bed. I wonder where he got that term?

gwest, my shovel wasn't lost but I retrieved it. Wink

ed, the cabin run slope angle is over 35 degrees. Here's a picture from the previous time it slid big for some perspective.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Joni and wow.

Edited to add: Now I see the bottom pic did slide. Apparently I am poor enough that I can't pay attention.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow wrote:
Joni, I'm not under the bed. I wonder where he got that term?



I knew you wouldn't be under the bed. This is what you strive for!

As far as the ? goes, Tom Kimborough would be my guess.

Looking fw to your TR at the end of the day wow, and it looks like our next big storm isn't until Thursday. I hope it happens!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI the road into & around the Spruces cabin area was plowed sometime between Fri pm & Saturday am. It's a mess & best avoided.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new cabin is being built in the Mill D North area with the planning poor and the reason for recent plowing of the road.

We ran into maynard g. krebs today and his response to the plowed road is,



Sunday services in the church of the pines was interesting today.

One of the avalanche buried snow shoers has been found (not alive) and the other remained buried this afternoon. Crying or Very sad

I'll try to update with a TR later.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been a hell of a week to say the least. Four people I'm aware of have died in avalanches in the last two days.

It's Sunday and we worship on Sunday's in the Church of the Pines.
Today was no exception.

We got to the bus stop and found the acrimonious maynard g. krebs there also. Fine. He joined the group.



Off the bus and headed up on a very common route already done multiple times this winter. The surprize was, that even though it hasn't snowed for a couple of days, there was only one snow shoe track ahead of us and they didn't make it to the pass.



From the pass we walked the ridge over for the view above. It was obvious, there had been some avalanching but the extent required a closer look. We skied down and went over a sub ridge to have a better look.



Seeing a way up by using the recent avalanche we decided to go up for a closer look and to see how the snow was.



Near the top things got a bit interesting with the traverse through rocks and the little remaining sugar after the slide. We got to the top and had a look into the next drainage, where two snowshoers got buried yesterday. A rescue was in progress ( actually a body recovery) and the entire drainage had been bombed into submission with two cases of double shots used. Multiple avalanches had been triggered but none appeared to run too far or deep, since a large natural cycle had also occured.



We dropped a large cornice, since we didn't have a case of explosives, as a test of stability, even though the slope had naturaled,



with no results. Most of the time this would be reassuring, but it's a big hill and the slides have been running deep. Several ski cuts were done still with no results but the upper was wind boarded and impacts on lower snow with ski cuts, questionable at best. Below the wind board the skiing was a couple of inches over the stryofoam and not bad at all.



We continued the run down canyon, ascended another hill discovering the slope had also avalanched during the storm, climbed and skied with a birds eye view of all the explosive triggered slides and exited.
We were well down the drainage, on the summer road when we discovered this,





which appears to be the result of a very large climax avalanche. Timing on that one is unknown as is the starting zone, with a little checking revealing no information.

I would hope that the cycle is about at an end. Can't say it hasn't been interesting, but enough is enough. Exclamation Exclamation
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should've checked the thread before i left, we were in plowed road fork today. Wasn't too bad of a walk in, and it was an interesting but doable ski out on the snowbank on the side of the road. Snow up there was generally mushy, but still fun to ski. We kept it low angle (20-25) but heard some disconcerting wummphs. Still, no cracks or sliding. Nice day to be out Cool

edited to add: Those final slide pics are quite impressive.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shredgar wrote:
FYI the road into & around the Spruces cabin area was plowed sometime between Fri pm & Saturday am. It's a mess & best avoided.


Noticed the plowed road while driving up BCC yesterday. Decided to go to Willows instead figuring the Mill F road would be skiable, it's been plowed too.

Sunday was my 1st time out in the BC since the av cycle started. Lots of devastation out there. Seemed like every E facing ridge in Upper BCC had slid (West Silver Fork, the meadow chute ridgeline, West Willow, Tuscarora, Twin Lakes, West Monitor....), most looked like naturals. Ran into 2 guys who remotely triggered 2 slides in West monitor on Saturday while skinning up, one on each side of their skin track! Shocked

Fortunately I spent Saturday skiing Brighton, got to watch Lauren do a dozen laps on the Explorer lift totally unassisted! Very Happy Sunday I took the Splitter out for the 1st time in 2 years (11th overall). Cuss/turn for the 1st lap down half-day hill, the same for the start of lap 2. I was able to get the "feel of the turn" back for the remainder of that lap and the next one. Like they say, if it were easy it would be called.... Wink Good turns on the S facing Dec. corn, the board made light work of the variable snow throughout the day.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised I didn't run into someone in Plowed Road Fork, but did hear of a Wow sighting from a snowshoer on Saturday.

That morning I started by helping with the WMC beacon practice. (An unscientific sample of 2 novices felt they could locate faster with a Pieps DSP than a Tracker, but would take either over an analog.) No one wanted to ski afterward, so I was hanging at the Cardiff parking lot when a ski group pulled in and started gearing up. I asked where they were planning to ski in Cardiff and got a "we're not sure, we're from out of town." While I didn't have the photographic proof to dissuade them from that idea, ie


I must have sounded convincing, as they joined me for a tour to the "softer side" of BCC.

Nearing the end of the plowed road, we came upon one of the people building the house. He hopes to be done in January, and is aware that a lot of people are unhappy. OTOH, he said that the owner is a principle at a resort up the road that has demonstrated it's love of construction, so I'm afraid he may want to drive to his new house all winter. Time will tell.

Lots of people were out in the beautiful weather and safe terrain, so we got plenty of info on the good snow that was available. Having flatlanders along, we headed for an easy spot near Dog Lake, and I gave a running commentary on what else was available, should they return on Sunday. I also pointed out what to avoid, since there are a few dicey spots in the drainage. The prime spot on this list was the NE face of Reynolds, made clear by the tracks that some "idiot" must have put on them when the danger was so high. Got a good laugh out of reading Edgar's TR and discovering that the idiot was a friend. Embarassed Clearly, they did a fine job of testing the slope both before and during the time they skied it, went one at a time, and had a good time.

Sunday was beautiful day, also, and two of us went back to harvest what was left of the hill. Here is what the "couple inches over styrofoam" looked like in action, altho' the north facing aspects had a softer base than that.


We were then seduced by a pretty day, and followed the drainage farther down than we should have, given the hour. Had this nice view on the way back up,

but that meant the sun was low enough that everything was freezing up pretty bad. Whereas Saturday, I was able to ski along the ploughed road like gwest did, even at 5pm, Sunday we were a bit later and fought with enough ice on the way down that we walked as soon as we got back to the plowed section.

All in all, a very nice weekend in the mtns for some of us.
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