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AgentJibber-411



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:48 pm    Post subject: Hell Yeah Andrew McLean Reply with quote

Great article, as a newb to backcountry, having just done my first hike on Hoosier Pass in Colorado this past saturday, I found the new article really cool and insightful. Thanks for the heads up
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Dirk



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leadership and group dynamics are often THE critical safety factor on BC outings, whether you are on a multi-day traverse, bagging a 50 degree chute, or just going on a mellow day tour in the woods. Yet nobody ever really talks about it. Thanks AT, for summing it up in a short, clear article.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good read indeed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two items listed that seem to be weak in terms of the groups I've been with is the lack of medical ability [way under emphasized, including myself] and the tendencies for members of the party to wander off on their own [I wasn't in the group but this has lead to one death of a friend]. Another side note is the mix of people in a group. Some I refuse to tour with because of insufficient bc knowledge and strength to keep up a reasonable pace. Spoils the fun. Groups need to be more on the same page with each other.

Good stuff AT!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome read and great topic! Cool


I really liked this line, “Backcountry skiing is a team sport that masquerades as an individual activity” .

Absolutely true and I think that’s why so many of us are drawn to it. Teamwork is involved but you get to do your own thing as well.

Thanks for the educational bc stoke ATA. I can’t wait to get out there! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great article and good food for thought next time out.

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One of the best ways to keep a group together is through setting a sustainable pace that is comfortable for everyone.


Is it just me, or does this sound funny coming from ATA?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, one more...its a tendency to let the least skilled go down last. Like there is somekind of sacred pecking order. I like the notion of sending them down second so everyone can keep an eye on them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bravo maestro!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ATP wrote:
Great article and good food for thought next time out.

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One of the best ways to keep a group together is through setting a sustainable pace that is comfortable for everyone.


Is it just me, or does this sound funny coming from ATA?


As snot blows out their nose, blood pours from their lungs, and sweat drenches their clothing. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and photo's to prove it Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reasonable pace is relative.

ATA skis with a bunch of fat slobs who do nothing but sit around and eat pork rinds, swilling old milwaukee and watching season 2 of Twenty-four until it snows over 10 inches. Laughing Laughing

So reasonable for some is ludicrous to others.

It is an excellent point. I find when parties do that sort of thing, you tend not to have that party skiing together the next time around. I also know numerous groups of guys who relish going out early in the morning just to skin over each other's vomit stains in the snow, no matter the snow conditions. Go figure, they love to do it week after week.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the vomit cleans off the dog hair? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wonder what the hell was on the bottom of my skins Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i too was impressed by this comment:
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I really liked this line, “Backcountry skiing is a team sport that masquerades as an individual activity” .


the most common struggle that i've noticed, which most often lies beneath the surface, particularly when bc skiing with newer friends/ski buddies is the sense of not wanting to take things too seriously. for example, last year i skied early season with two people who i had never skied with before. it was a short tour and as we all started the boot pack up from the parking lot i realized that no one had done a beacon test, something that i normally do. why did i not say anything? these were new people too me? i did not want to appear paranoid or who knows what? regardless that was dumb decision, yet this type of things seems to happen all the time when there is no defacto leader (or even if there is) and there are new comers in the group.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

now that's what I was hoping for Andrew. Very good effort!
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