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hdiddy
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| aaron_wright wrote: | | Ben, I feel safe saying everyone here would most likely take Paul Parker's advice/comments more seriously than yours. |
Hmm... a nurse from TN vs. a guy wins awards designing some of the most advanced and award winning tele/AT boots & skis for a living and who also wrote the book on Tele over 20 years ago (now in 3rd Ed.).
Hmmm..... I think I'll go with the nurse. 
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keithermadness
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| tele.skier wrote: | Ben, I hear traing wheels are very popular on little kids bikes too...
very active bindings and short skis. Ridin' with the big boys.... |
Short skis are a carry on with the short bus.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| climbhoser wrote: | | cesare wrote: | | Cheap, light, strong. Pick two. |
Nah, I don't believe that for a second. It can be done.
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That's what they all say. There's alot of hand waving when making a comment like that. Prove it. Ttipsters who are adept at armchair binding design really have no idea what it takes to build one IMO.
| Quote: | | I think that binding leverage, while not necessary, adds a whole dimension of capabilities to what a skier can do. Call it tele-pine if you will...a burly binding can unleash the beast! |
We're already doing that. Just ski with a stiff NTN boot (Evo or TX-Comp) and the rig will ski you if you're not careful. Stiff boots are fricken fun but not for the meek. Remember, with NTN it's the boots that dictate more of the flex - not the binding. IMO, Tx-Pro skis very neutral. I think the Prophet will have a nice "middle-of-the-road" feel to it. Last years was a little soft.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| hdiddy wrote: | | climbhoser wrote: | | cesare wrote: | | Cheap, light, strong. Pick two. |
Nah, I don't believe that for a second. It can be done.
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That's what they all say. There's alot of hand waving when making a comment like that. Prove it. Ttipsters who are adept at armchair binding design really have no idea what it takes to build one IMO. |
I'm not claiming to know how it can be done...but if I don't hold onto the ideal that it can be done then I might as well ski 3-pins and give up concern for the future of tele. I think we can do better, so I will keep believing it can be done.
| hdiddy wrote: | | Quote: | | I think that binding leverage, while not necessary, adds a whole dimension of capabilities to what a skier can do. Call it tele-pine if you will...a burly binding can unleash the beast! |
We're already doing that. Just ski with a stiff NTN boot (Evo or TX-Comp) and the rig will ski you if you're not careful. Stiff boots are fricken fun but not for the meek. Remember, with NTN it's the boots that dictate more of the flex - not the binding. IMO, Tx-Pro skis very neutral. I think the Prophet will have a nice "middle-of-the-road" feel to it. |
I've skied stiff boots in a neutral-ish binding. I don't like it. I want the opposite...a soft boot with an active binding. I don't want/need a binding to break bellows for me...I want an active binding to give me more dimensionality. I want to be able to flex forward easy.
right now what you just said about NTN makes me want to clutch my enerGs for dear life and get Axls instead.
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hdiddy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I had that with the Tx-pro (which are what Clydesdad is trying to sell). Normally on stiff boots, I run them with blue springs @ 1. With the Tx-pro I think I had up to 3 or 4. Even after I dialed up the stiffness but still the boot was too soft for me - I had gotten too used to a stiff boot and the Tx-pro gave me some odd fit issues.
Still they're great boots and they remind me of skiing on softer boots (like Excursions). You should give the tx-pro a try at a demo and running the springs harder. Dialing up the preload is easy - you can do it without tools.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| hdiddy wrote: | | I had that with the Tx-pro (which are what Clydesdad is trying to sell). |
I got 'em now. Thanks Clydesdad. I've convinced my wife to give NTN a try, so she'll be using my TX's from last year. Luckily we both where the same size boot. I went ahead and bought a set of white springs over the summer, as I really think that's going to ease her conversion from many years of 3 pin CRBs. Thanks to the used boots this is turning out to be a relatively inexpensive setup. |
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| climbhoser wrote: | | cesare wrote: | | Cheap, light, strong. Pick two. |
Nah, I don't believe that for a second. It can be done. |
Sales and Marketing always thinks it can be done because they don't know WTF needs to be done. |
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hdiddy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ghostofcarl wrote: | | Sales and Marketing always thinks it can be done because they don't know WTF needs to be done. |
Bah... if I got a nickel the number of times marketing thought something could be done...
| md2020 wrote: | | hdiddy wrote: | | I had that with the Tx-pro (which are what Clydesdad is trying to sell). |
I got 'em now. Thanks Clydesdad. I've convinced my wife to give NTN a try, so she'll be using my TX's from last year. Luckily we both where the same size boot. I went ahead and bought a set of white springs over the summer, as I really think that's going to ease her conversion from many years of 3 pin CRBs. Thanks to the used boots this is turning out to be a relatively inexpensive setup. |
Nice! Yeah I paid the intial price so that you guys can enjoy.   It's all good.
Like I said, it's a good boot and has all the bells/whistles while being so freaking light. I like the cant adjustment. Are you going to replace the liners or still use the stock ones?
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| And pray tell why would one spend even more money to replace thermo liners with thermoliners. My TX Pros are giving me a toe fit issue even after two cooks. But I think I'm still cooking them too tight but perhaps it is the liner?! |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| climbhoser wrote: | | hdiddy wrote: | | climbhoser wrote: | | cesare wrote: | | Cheap, light, strong. Pick two. |
Nah, I don't believe that for a second. It can be done. |
That's what they all say. There's alot of hand waving when making a comment like that. Prove it. Ttipsters who are adept at armchair binding design really have no idea what it takes to build one IMO. |
I'm not claiming to know how it can be done...but if I don't hold onto the ideal that it can be done then I might as well ski 3-pins and give up concern for the future of tele. I think we can do better, so I will keep believing it can be done. |
Well, since 3-pins I'd say bindings have gotten stronger, but lighter and/or cheaper?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| hdiddy wrote: | | Are you going to replace the liners or still use the stock ones? |
I'm going to use the liners out of my TXs. No cook. The shells are similar enough and I don't want to mess up a perfect fit. My wife's got a 1/2 season pair of Intuition Luxury liners that we cooked last weekend for the TXs. Wanna buy your old liners? |
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hdiddy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| J wrote: | | And pray tell why would one spend even more money to replace thermo liners with thermoliners. My TX Pros are giving me a toe fit issue even after two cooks. But I think I'm still cooking them too tight but perhaps it is the liner?! |
Because it's been on two sets of stinky feet and cooked several times now? At least 3 times I know of - two of them I did.
I had fit issues after cooking them twice. For my foot anatomy, it had seams in the worst of places making it extremely painful after about half a day of skiing. It feels fine at first but it got excruciating. BTW: That stock liner is not the same as what you would get from Intuition. Yes, Intuition makes the stock liner but it's per Scarpa's spec. Sides, if you want it slightly stiffer, going to a power wrap might be preferable.
I hope it fits just fine for md and Clydesdad didn't make any similar complaints to me, so I assume it's just not a fit for me - literally.
| Quote: | | I'm going to use the liners out of my TXs. No cook. The shells are similar enough and I don't want to mess up a perfect fit. My wife's got a 1/2 season pair of Intuition Luxury liners that we cooked last weekend for the TXs. Wanna buy your old liners? |
Having just wrote what I did - no thanks!
I kinda have my eye on some powerwraps actually.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ahh, the 'swamp-boot' thing plus etcs. Total sense!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I read the interview but not the thread ... have the personal attacks started yet? |
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hdiddy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah that was page 1.
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