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razeontherock
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| steven hatcher wrote: | | My original questions still stand: why does it matter so much if someone isn't wearing a helmet...? |
I guess it escapes you riding a bike is illegal w/o a helmet? |
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uberIM
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| NoPin wrote: | Well, what a touching outpouring of concern by the pro-helmet crowd regarding healthcare costs associated with ski related head injuries. Please give me a minute to wipe a tear from my eye. 
On that same note, I vote that everyone should wear knee braces while skiing. In my 50 years of skiing I have yet to ski with anyone that suffered a ski-related head injury, however, I have skied with numerous people that have suffered ACL and MCL injuries not to mention torn hamstrings, broken legs and ankles.
Also, while we're on the topic of helmets, perhaps we should pass a law that everyone should wear a helmet every time they step into their shower, since I'm sure there are more people injured by slipping and falling in the shower than by banging their head while skiing.
But keep flogging that dead horse folks... TTips entertainment at its finest.
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I am not interested in legislating helmet use. I don't get excited about the financial costs of people not taking care of themselves. I just feel sorry for them. Nothing more heart-rending to see a 40 something cig smoker saying goodbye to his/her kids.......I have seen this all too often. Or a 50 year old cig smoker have a sudden death from a heart attack (yes, heart disease etiology is multifactorial but cig smoking is a major risk factor and theoretically preventable).......
And I just don't understand why helmet use is contentious. I appreciate your 50 years experience. And I am glad that you have not had a friend or loved one suffer a head injury..........trust me, you don't see people wailing and crying and carrying on when a loved one suffers an ACL tear..........but a head injury, coma, TBI, CHI-you are fortunate you haven't had to deal with the consequences.........now that can destroy a family...........yes, I know helmets do not totally protect against serious head injury. The inc. risk of c spine injury with helmet use I think is not borne out in the medical literature (unless I missed something).....
The shower/helmet spurious argument-no what we need to do is make showers safer with hand bars, non-slip surfaces, etc. for the elderly...........now that is also a public health urgency..........
Steven H-now I see the connection-both cig smoking and helmet use bring out strong opinions on opposing sides..........I am not sure how at all cig smoking could on any level be anything but not a good idea......not easy to stop, sure.......or choosing to do something injurious to one's health,it is your choice........but the data are clear that cig smoking is the number one global preventable health risk............if I could wave a magic wand I would wave it to end cig smoking...........put half the ICUs out of business..........
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Arafel
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| razeontherock wrote: | | steven hatcher wrote: | | My original questions still stand: why does it matter so much if someone isn't wearing a helmet...? |
I guess it escapes you riding a bike is illegal w/o a helmet? |
No it's not. At least not in Colorado. You can ride a bike or a motorcycle without a helmet. |
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carl
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| razeontherock wrote: | | steven hatcher wrote: | | My original questions still stand: why does it matter so much if someone isn't wearing a helmet...? |
I guess it escapes you riding a bike is illegal w/o a helmet? |
no, that it's a great way to get people butthurt is what escapes him |
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Highland Sport
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:37 am Post subject: |
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"Are helmets the new cigarettes?"
Smoke Em' if Ya Got Em'!
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razeontherock
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| carl wrote: | | razeontherock wrote: | | steven hatcher wrote: | | My original questions still stand: why does it matter so much if someone isn't wearing a helmet...? |
I guess it escapes you riding a bike is illegal w/o a helmet? |
no, that it's a great way to get people butthurt is what escapes him |
If somebody wearing a helmet gets you butthurt Carl, I don't want to know what you do in your personal life 
And in a lot of places helmets are the law on a bike. |
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carl
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| razeontherock wrote: | | carl wrote: | | razeontherock wrote: | | steven hatcher wrote: | | My original questions still stand: why does it matter so much if someone isn't wearing a helmet...? |
I guess it escapes you riding a bike is illegal w/o a helmet? |
no, that it's a great way to get people butthurt is what escapes him |
If somebody wearing a helmet gets you butthurt Carl, I don't want to know what you do in your personal life
And in a lot of places helmets are the law on a bike. |
the incredibly earnest butthurt of ttips |
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Missing Link
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Not that anyone telemarks the backcountry anymore:
(ofcourse we all know that you don't need to be in the BC to encounter avalanches)
"Conclusion.—Although asphyxiation was the cause of death in most avalanche victims, evidence of CHI (closed head injury) was present in 61% of the cases studied. While avalanche-associated CHI may not be sufficient to cause death in many cases, a depressed level of consciousness might render a victim incapable of self-rescue and predispose to asphyxia. Helmet use may help prevent avalanche-associated CHI and thus be a useful safety adjunct."
http://www.wemjournal.org/wmsonline/?request=get-document&issn=1080-6032&volume=012&issue=04&page=0244
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SWITCHTELE
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Actually, the lessons my daughter and son learned were;
1. WHEN you have an accident, if you smack your head, you are less likely to suffer a debilitating head injury.
2. Progression. Baby steps, baby. Too many kids being seduced by the stupid and market-driven "exteme" scene. All they see are the bright lights and adoring fans, not the years of gymnastics, personal coaches etc that led to the skill level these "extremists" display. Go slow, pay your dues, and you will minimize the chances of suffering a catastrophic injury.
Wearing a helmet has nothing to do specifically with park skiing. The worst blow to my head was simply hitting an icy patch coming into the lift, and not paying close enough attention. Feet went out from under me, and smack to the back of my head. Helmet did its job. I went home with a splitting headache, instead of to a rehab center to learn how to talk all over again.
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razeontherock
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| OK I guess you all can call me a hard-headed SOB, cause I've fallen like that countless times and skied away smiling. But I do wear a helmet now. |
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steven hatcher
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| razeontherock wrote: | | steven hatcher wrote: | | My original questions still stand: why does it matter so much if someone isn't wearing a helmet...? |
I guess it escapes you riding a bike is illegal w/o a helmet? |
Um, I guess it escaped you that the topic was skiing, not riding a bike?
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ak_powder_monkey
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I broke a helmet once, I stopped wearing it after that
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Andrew L
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| I miss Clyde. |
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JustinB
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| HayShed wrote: | | NoPin wrote: | keep flogging that dead horse folks...
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Does it tenderise the horse meat...? 
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The botulism & maggots are more effective tenderisers than the baton. (where's SL's gacking emoticon?)
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Matt J
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Are helmets the new cigarettes? |
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| dakotakid wrote: | | Don't really care about you. The interest is in the topic of risk mitigation and benefit analysis. |
sounds like an actuary's argument for fascism |
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