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wow
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 Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:26 am Post subject: Millcreek Avalanches |
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Seems like a good spot to discuss the events from Sunday.
I took an up close and personal, one pole flip flopping, on Gobblers.
May have some nice pics and description posted, later.
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christian :?)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Saw that on your field obs. Glad you pulled out without more damage.
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OAG
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: |
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I took a look at the crown from Sugarhouse Park this afternoon with my spotting scope. Very creepy! I might need a little pull from the medicine bottle after looking at that.
A characteristic of the recent avalanches is the absence of a stauchwall. Most of the "track" seems to be releasing down to the weak layer.
Also they are pulling out the flanks way down the path.
All this ends up involving a lot more snow in the debris field. |
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subdural
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Of course the day I don't read the field ob this sort of thing happens.
Did you pop it back in right there?
Glad you made it out safely and otherwise unharmed. |
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wow
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Ironic.
OAG?
Never had a dislocated shoulder. Didn't know what to do.
Two hours later after the morphine iv drip didn't work, got knocked out with the Micheal Jackson drug. That worked.
Woke up from the narcotic stupor this morning. I got some more pics, one handed is slow.
Starting zone, upper left.
Note the tracks in the middle.
Finish
Bottom of the photo. Best to have an unobstructed path if yer taking a long ride. Also important to make the corner.
Woulda hated to have triggered the thing from the middle tracks.
Oh yeah, "fight like hell", learned from the WOAG.
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icsteveoh
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| uac accident report wrote: | | Speaking with the skier who was not caught, he related that a conversation with the victim the night before included talk of not being concerned with persistent weakness that had plagued the Wasatch over the prior two months. The victim felt that the weakness would not be reactive again until potentially during the spring. This may have been a factor in overlooking the weak structure. |
whats up with that? |
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trackhead
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| wow wrote: |
Never had a dislocated shoulder. Didn't know what to do.
Two hours later after the morphine iv drip didn't work, got knocked out with the Micheal Jackson drug. That worked.
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Reducing your shoulder in the field by a layman is a painful, low success venture. Perhaps with an ER or Ortho doc on hand you might be able to reduce it if you can relax enough. Best to just do what you did and have the Propofol sedation in the ER.
I dislocated my right shoulder skiing alone, tried for some time to reduce it myself. Too painful. |
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wow
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| icsteveoh wrote: | | uac accident report wrote: | | Speaking with the skier who was not caught, he related that a conversation with the victim the night before included talk of not being concerned with persistent weakness that had plagued the Wasatch over the prior two months. The victim felt that the weakness would not be reactive again until potentially during the spring. This may have been a factor in overlooking the weak structure. |
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Load of bullshit is what that is. Totally out of context.
Full track.
Gotta couple more. Will add some thoughts, etc, probably in the am.
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drifter
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Hey rog you should shut the f#%@ up! You haven't got a clue. Ya don't learn much in the BT trees. |
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PCdirtbag
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Saw it from the air Monday - Very scary, take care of that shoulder Bob, I get mine cut on on May 3 - too many years of neglecting an old injury.
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icelanticskier
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:46 am Post subject: clued in |
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| drifter wrote: | | Hey rog you should shut the f#%@ up! You haven't got a clue. Ya don't learn much in the BT trees. |
time and place. there are times to be in some places and other times to be in others. BT trees would've been a better option this time. better to learn to stay alive than to learn not to. one dislocated shoulder could save many lives.
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wow
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Oh, yeah, learned about um...
hell, I don' remember.
Safe as can be, you go first  
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telemike
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:25 am Post subject: |
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bob - glad you are relatively ok
shoulder dislocations are not fun - I've been there - it's hard to know what to do when your body is all outta whack like that - mine have always reduced on their own, but not w/o a lot of discomfort and consternation -
gives you a bit of a sense of how bad it could really get
hope the shoulder heals well
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oldfart
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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wow - sounds like my ex gave you and the m's a ride down the hill about a week back.. she did a double take and thought you were $10.. glad to hear you didn't suffer his fate.
Hope that shoulder heals soon so you are back in full force.
People pushing big lines everywhere...weird.
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dakotakid
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: Re: clued in |
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| icelanticskier wrote: | | drifter wrote: | | Hey rog you should shut the f#%@ up! You haven't got a clue. Ya don't learn much in the BT trees. |
time and place. there are times to be in some places and other times to be in others. BT trees would've been a better option this time. better to learn to stay alive than to learn not to. one dislocated shoulder could save many lives.
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Mr. ROG,
Are you open to being openly criticized when you are recovering from a near death experience? Ah, allow me to answer that with a big "no." Your post is ridiculous, like you must be. The pathetic KSL comments option seems like a better place for you to fit in.
Please consider my signature line below, or please just piss off. |
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