We’ve heard it all said a hundred times – that America is a Christian nation, that it was founded as a Christian nation, that the Founding Fathers were Bible-believing, God-fearing Christian men, that there is no Wall of Separation between Church and State.
The only problem is, none of it is true. .....
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:32 am Post subject:
skifreeK, your link makes gross misstatements. It says the FF took more from the Iroqois Nation than they took from Old Testament Israel.
That is not at issue. The fact is they took everything they could from the Bible as a whole, which of course left a lot out. The Bible was their first source to defer to, which they did more often than any other literary source. By a LONG shot.
So the little quote you snipped out is far worse than disingenuous.
Yet you still have valid points, which I concede to.
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject:
razeontherock wrote:
skifreeK, your link makes gross misstatements. It says the FF took more from the Iroqois Nation than they took from Old Testament Israel.
The Bible was their first source to defer to, which they did more often than any other literary source. By a LONG shot.
It's astonishing how few references there were to Iriquois literature, Iriquois libraries, or Iriquois airplanes.
...With childlike glee, McLeroy flipped through the pages and explained what he saw as the gaping holes in Darwin’s theory.
“I don’t care what the educational political lobby and their allies on the left say,” he declared at one point. “Evolution is hooey.”
This bled into a rant about American history. “The secular humanists may argue that we are a secular nation,” McLeroy said, jabbing his finger in the air for emphasis. “But we are a Christian nation founded on Christian principals.
The way I evaluate history textbooks is first I see how they cover Christianity and Israel. Then I see how they treat Ronald Reagan—he needs to get credit for saving the world from communism and for the good economy over the last twenty years because he lowered taxes.”
Views like these are relatively common in East Texas, a region that prides itself on being the buckle of the Bible Belt. But McLeroy is no ordinary citizen.
The jovial creationist sits on the Texas State Board of Education, where he is one of the leaders of an activist bloc that holds enormous sway over the body’s decisions.
As the state goes through the once-in-a-decade process of rewriting the standards for its textbooks, the faction is using its clout to infuse them with ultraconservative ideals. Among other things, they aim to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, bring global-warming denial into science class, and downplay the contributions of the civil rights movement.
Battles over textbooks are nothing new, especially in Texas, where bitter skirmishes regularly erupt over everything from sex education to phonics and new math.
But never before has the board’s right wing wielded so much power over the writing of the state’s standards.
And when it comes to textbooks, what happens in Texas rarely stays in Texas.
The reasons for this are economic: Texas is the nation’s second-largest textbook market and one of the few biggies where the state picks what books schools can buy rather than leaving it up to the whims of local districts, which means publishers that get their books approved can count on millions of dollars in sales.
As a result, the Lone Star State has outsized influence over the reading material used in classrooms nationwide, since publishers craft their standard textbooks based on the specs of the biggest buyers.
As one senior industry executive told me, “Publishers will do whatever it takes to get on the Texas list.”
Until recently, Texas’s influence was balanced to some degree by the more-liberal pull of California, the nation’s largest textbook market.
But its economy is in such shambles that California has put off buying new books until at least 2014. This means that McLeroy and his ultraconservative crew have unparalleled power to shape the textbooks that children around the country read for years to come....
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject:
A little anecdote, which came to me via someone who'd been talking with Henry Kaiser... Discovery Channel, which helped fund The Herzog/ Kaiser documentary Encounters at the End of the World (highly recommended, BTW), offered to air the film on the Discovery Channel, but only if Herzog removed the handful of references to evolution. I guess the Discovery Channel, here in the 21st century, still considers evolution to be controversial. Anyway, Herzog declined.
..Obama accused Rove and fellow conservatives Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist in the 2006 book of declaring, “We are a Christian nation.”
“I certainly don’t believe and have never said, ‘We are a Christian nation,’” Rove insisted in “Courage,” which is scheduled for publication next week.....
..Obama accused Rove and fellow conservatives Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist in the 2006 book of declaring, “We are a Christian nation.”
“I certainly don’t believe and have never said, ‘We are a Christian nation,’” Rove insisted in “Courage,” which is scheduled for publication next week.....
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject:
If Karl Rove says we are not a Xtian nation, then its a pretty safe bet that we are a Xtian nation. _________________ I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is clearly unarmed. Target practice, on the other hand . . .
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