Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: Tele-tricks...Do Them!!
OK, now I'm ranting. I posted this at FreeheelLife as well, so I guess I'm super-ranting, but it needs to be done.
WE SUCK. we --as telemark skiers in the park-- suck real bad. Pretty much all I have seen in vid, in mags, and in the real world, Is bad style, sketch rails, and lacking tricks compared to the alpine community.
Now I know we are a different sport, but I think that means an opportunity to do NEW tricks, not permission to suck at the ones that have been done. Drop a knee on a box or rail, do some new grabs that only freeheelers can do.
I've seen some tele-innovation, (Josh Madsen has a pic of a nose-manual on a rainbow box thats pretty sick, on FHL), but there is so much to be done. Tele-stance slides on boxes are cake, if you haven't tried it, give it a try. If you say it can't be done keep trying. Rails can be tele-slid as well, and I've done some pretty fun nose grabs with my tip inches from my face.(Jacob Wester-Xgames)
If ANYBODY has ANYTHING progressive, lets us all know, we really need to push the park side of this sport, because I know we can be better than now. _________________ ..Drop Knees..
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Sorry, but you need to check out some of the park vids here, Tough Guy Productions, hang out at copper, breck., sugarbush... That is just to name a few, we, the sport is pushing it's limits. Not to mention comps. held in the Northeast, Crested Butte, or the comp; if it is still being held at copper in Co. Finally, I live in Japan, and at my "home" mtn. we have 6 boxes(Flat down, flat-down-flat, walls, rails of the same designs) where I, and I can think of 5 other tele-skiers pushing our limits. My english in this rant my suck, but people are pushing and the tricks are getting sicker all the time, the park is the same as any other athletic activity, it has a progression. Let it progress.
I am in this sport, i live in Colorado, and I see all these fully sponsored riders around quite a bit. I'm still not impressed. There is just a distinct lack of style and innovation. Big mountain is where is should be, but park is just severly lacking. I see no style, and no new tricks, thats all I'm saying. _________________ ..Drop Knees..
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject:
I got mixed feelings about how "we all suck" in the park. While we may be a different sport, tele in the park is young. It takes time, years, to develop style. Another thing, if people are happy doin what their doin in the park let them do that. If you think you can do it better than all the pros out there that your not impressed with, go show them how to ski.
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject:
Oh and another thing, drop a knee on a box or rail, what are you insane. You talk about no style and what not, how sloppy you think that will look. Id love to see someone drop a knee on a rail or box and have it look good. Maybe Madsen can do it, but its almost a joke. Try spinning onto something and land like that, kiss your ass goodbye. but hey this is just my opinion because ive tried to do all this sh*$ before and it really doesnt work out like you think it would
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject:
I have to agree with some of the other things posted on this forum. Watching a alpiner drop onto some of the stuff is more exciting to watch, but kid keep your mouth shut until you have pictures or vid posted of you doing these tricks smooth. I like that you want the sport to progress, but telling others to do it is not the way. Go out there and prove to the pros that this is the new way to roll. I do conmend your ambition and bluntness. I gues what I am saying is go and ski and show us how it is done.
This post is full of errors, but i am an engineering student, I anit so good with the words. And I am lazy
My bad, first of all, I didn't mean to call anyone out in a negative way. I did, however, mean to call us out as sport (myself included), to push each other into doing what this sport is capable of.
WestonDeutsch- I tele-slide boxes with ease and rails with consistency. This is the main part of my rant to tell the truth, because I don't find it that difficult, and I don't see it being done.
Now, saying "we suck" wasn't quite the right wording. I definately agree sick things are being done in the freheel movement, but we are MOST definately lacking, to say the least.
Mooner- Now I really don't mean any disrespect to you. I've seen you around a couple times, and I'm always watching for new ideas and new techniques. Now I'm 19, and I ski Summit(lived in this last year and going back in may), as well as many other resorts in CO, POWDERHORN BABY. But you would have to agree we aren't where we could, or should, be.
Once again I mean no disrespect to anyone, I just thought it was way past time someone said something.
And westondeutsch, your post was the only one that kinda pissed me off, I don't think you should take the tele-slide comment as some sort of joke, or as a far off vision of an impossible trick. Like I said at first, "Tele-stance slides on boxes are cake, if you haven't tried it, give it a try. If you say it can't be done keep trying." I repeat, keep trying. _________________ ..Drop Knees..
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i am genuinely interested to see some pictures or film of you "telesliding" rails, i still don't really grasp how you could do it with any degree of control. _________________ skiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskis
I will get that as soon as I can, but I currently have no camera, and no filmer friends.
I realize right now its a lot of talk, but I don't understand why this is being such a difficult concept to grasp. Think of sliding to a stop in a really low tele-stance, now picture that on a rail or box. Pictures soon, vid hopefully. Sorry for sounding like a prick all the time. _________________ ..Drop Knees..
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One more tip to maybe help you out, I hadn't really thought of it, but I also one foot slide occasionally (front foot) and this may help me out quite a lot.
I quote Mooner in an earlier thread on tele-slides,
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I've seen it before. I've tried it with my Bombers and it's tough. When you have a real active binding, dropping into a tele stance on a rail makes your trailing edge dig in to the rail. The guys I have seen pull it off with style are on a more neutral cable binding that doesn't create much for tip pressure while in a tele stance. I think if a person had skis with minimal edges and worked at it for a while you could dial it in. The key I found was learning to slide one footed rails. Then all the pressure is on the lead leg so when you drop the knee, minimal pressure is on the trailing ski.
This trick has serious merit.
In other words, it tends to be like a low, slightly more stable one-foot slide. And I ride Linkens, so the neutral-ness helps there too. Though I would have to disagree on it being impossible with an active binding, because the guy I got the idea and inspiration from, rides bombers, and tele-slides well. _________________ ..Drop Knees..
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:44 am Post subject:
I have some photos on my computer at Bomber of a guy sliding tele stance on a flat rail using Bomber Bishops. Looks sick! I think he is in the #1 or maybe #2 main pin position which would decrease resistance in the binding system and decrease tip pressure. Again, it looks sick and is a tough trick. I always ride main pin position #3 for park so the times I tried it, I had a hard time keeping my trailing ski tip under me. It wanted to push out as soon as it was at any sort of angle to the rail or box. I would find it hard to believe that someone could do it super easy with a stiff boot and super active bindings set in the most powerful setting. I am not ruling it out; I just think it would take a lot of work to be able to do this on anything other than a flat rail or flat box. I have to be honest, I haven’t put much time into dialing the tele slide. I know my alpine and snowboard pals think it looks cool because it is unique.
I would have to agree, stiff boot and super active binding would make it quite difficult. Like i said before I ride linkens, and i also ride a garmont ?gara?, women's boot. I enjoy the soft flex. On another note, that guy in the pic, though being a bad angle and a super nasty 'stache, is my bro who got me into tele. That is also probly one of the worst teleslides I've seen him do, it is much more stable the lower you get. _________________ ..Drop Knees..
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