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Skier A (2005/2006 season) on CriTeleTique
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Jon Sulzer



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Skier A (2005/2006 season) on CriTeleTique Reply with quote

Those are good tele turns for only 4 or 5 days on pins, but I'm seeing a hitch developing in your transition.

Try to smooth things out by reducing the amount of time your skis are parallel in transition and by getting your skis on edge much earlier, at the top of the new turn, not 1/3 or so of the way through as you are doing now.
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bbense



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think monomarks would help you get more dynamic in your turns.
You're kind of "freezing" in the middle, since you are doing
the lead change before the edge change. Monomarks will help you
decouple the edge change from the lead change.

Also, the shoulders are overotating. The more square you can keep
them down the hill the better... That will also quicken up the turn
a bit so you'll be less tempted to "step" into the next turn.

All in all though, I'd say you're well on your way to getting the turn.
There's good extension and compression in and out of the turn and
the back ski carves once you get it set. If you have the time,
I think you'd benefit a lot from some lessons. The Bear Valley telemark
festival is coming up soon and I think you'd get a lot out of their lesson package.

To practice monomarks, get on a gentle slope, get in a tele position
and make turns without shifting the lead leg. This will feel really awkward at first, but if you stick with it, you'll get a lot out of it.

_ Booker C. Bense
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Allen L.



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing wrong with initiating the start of the tele turn with the skis parallel but you don't want to pause there for long. Keep those skis moving in transition, either by moving the dowhill ski back or the uphill ski forward, which ever visualization works best for you. Just don't pause it parallel for so long and "ooch" the skis around.
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WBW



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with Booker that monomarks would help.

Though I think that this early in the game (4 days?) just paying a little more attention to the fundamentals of the turn and the sequence in which their should occur might solve Skier A's problem.
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christian :?)



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exaggerate your counter rotation (feel the pinch in your side), actively pole plant, and search for that thread from the beginning of this winter about hesitant transitions.

- Christian :?)
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yamariva_2000



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nice to have the TC going again since winter is over already.

That looks good for only 5 days. The flow is not there yet but the edging is pretty good. Work on turn initiation.

You do not need to stand up to release the edges. Keep your body moving downhill and roll your edges into the new turn. Do the lead early or late (up to you), but do it smoothly and sychronized to your turn tempo.
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wvfreeheels



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be afraid to bring on the punches. When transitioning b/w turns reach down hill and plant that pole to turn around it. That should help keep your body facing down the fall line. If you are having trouble snapping into the next turn, bring your arm around like you are going to hug someone (that you really, really like). When initiating a turn to the left, bring that right arm around (from right to left for a big hug) and then punch it downhill and plant that pole. Reverse the order for the right turns. I don't know if this is good advice or not, but it has really helped me with winding up the "corkscrew" or "spring" effect and seems to help me weight the back foot in tracked up pow or heavy snow.

I wished I looked that good after a few days with freeheels...keep up the good work!

-WVFH
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Grant



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

christian Confused) wrote:
Exaggerate your counter rotation (feel the pinch in your side)


I agree. Nice work with a nice stable/wide stance. Keep those feet moving and counter rotate.

Keep at it!
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dana



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest issue I see here is that all turns are initiated by the LEAD ski, and that ski is carrying the biggest edge angle throughout the turns. To figure this out, take 1-2 runs on a bunny hill where you don't even ALLOW that lead ski to edge- intentionally flatten & skid the lead ski only edging it just prior to the edge change and initiating and carving the turn by edging (what is becoming) the new REAR ski. Then go back to just recreational skiing and still carve 'em both, but consciously intiate the turns with the (new) rear ski.

Other than that I see a tendency to lean in rather than bending sideways at the waist for edge angle. That's both less stable and less powerful. The other thing is that while hands are staying out in front, indcating good balance, they tend to follow the ski tips, not the fall-line. Try keeping the upperbody more faced down the fall-line and the transitions will be quicker/cleaner.

Last (and probably least), timing the turns with a hint of pole plant helps. No need to stab the mountain, but the pole plants look tentative and late, late, later. Try planting at the bottom of the turn, before you rise up. It looks like you're standing up thinking about it, then planting the pole as you change edges.

Looks like you'll be able to figure this out.
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JPL



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamariva_2000 wrote:
It's nice to have the TC going again since winter is over already.


Winter is over? By my ski calendar it's only halftime. And then begins the long spring season. I've got five to six months of skiing still ahead.
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yamariva_2000



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JPL wrote:
yamariva_2000 wrote:
It's nice to have the TC going again since winter is over already.


Winter is over? By my ski calendar it's only halftime. And then begins the long spring season. I've got five to six months of skiing still ahead.


Just a little grouchy about the early Spring Sierra conditions and the La Nina. Hoping for a turn soon.
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nsotak



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wvfreeheels wrote:
When initiating a turn to the left, bring that right arm around (from right to left for a big hug) and then punch it downhill and plant that pole. Reverse the order for the right turns.


I have to say I'm kind of confused by this advice. Wouldn't following these instructions lead you to planting a pole on the outside of the turn (for a left turn, the plant would be with your right arm), rather than the inside?

Maybe I'm misreading.
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bbense



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamariva_2000 wrote:
JPL wrote:
yamariva_2000 wrote:
It's nice to have the TC going again since winter is over already.


Winter is over? By my ski calendar it's only halftime. And then begins the long spring season. I've got five to six months of skiing still ahead.


Just a little grouchy about the early Spring Sierra conditions and the La Nina. Hoping for a turn soon.


Huh? It's like this every winter. The corn onset is actually pretty late
this year. Spring skiing starts in the Sierra about 4 days after the last storm. You can get good spring corn as early as November.... MARCH is the MONTH for powder skiing. Have faith...

_ Booker C. Bense
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if that is after only 5 days i have nothing to say but just keep doing it, the basics are there and you are looking good. most people (alpiners) seem to keep skiing on downhill ski and pull the uphill back as an afterthought, you are initiating turn with new back/inside ski. j
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dana



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jellero wrote:
if that is after only 5 days i have nothing to say but just keep doing it, the basics are there and you are looking good. most people (alpiners) seem to keep skiing on downhill ski and pull the uphill back as an afterthought, you are initiating turn with new back/inside ski. j


He's weighting the rear ski but he's not initiating with it, and it carries significantly less edge angle through the turn. You can see that pretty clearly if you step it a frame at a time. But he'll get it if he stops over-relying on the lead/outside ski for the turn initiation- he's more than halfway there already. I can usually whip somebody with his fundamental skills into making great telemark turns in under two hours- looks like he's been figuring it out mostly on his own.
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