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stevesliva
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Sugarloafer wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | James wrote: | | Speaking of serious. I have commented here about personally being socially liberal yet fiscally conservative. I got chastised pretty good on that. Something about how politically convenient that was or something like that. I think even Seki commented on it. I did not and still don't get why that is confusing or some type of problem for liberals to understand. |
It's not. However with any federal election, you have to choose which to prioritize. Do you vote for an ounce of fiscal improvement that comes with 10 pounds of "social" "conservatism" and fiscal policies that are basically activist? Or do you compromise the fiscal conservatism very slightly? Not to mention that the avowed GOP tax policy completely negates their fiscal conservatism.
In terms of state elections-- sure, vote for whomever. Loonies on both sides need a kick occasionally. |
What a f*cking riot !! This suggests that you agree with some conservative views but that they may not be a priority for you, so you vote for the liberal agenda. |
What do you mean by "liberal agenda?" |
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James
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| stevesliva wrote: | | James wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | James wrote: | | Speaking of serious. I have commented here about personally being socially liberal yet fiscally conservative. I got chastised pretty good on that. Something about how politically convenient that was or something like that. I think even Seki commented on it. I did not and still don't get why that is confusing or some type of problem for liberals to understand. |
It's not. However with any federal election, you have to choose which to prioritize. Do you vote for an ounce of fiscal improvement that comes with 10 pounds of "social" "conservatism" and fiscal policies that are basically activist? Or do you compromise the fiscal conservatism very slightly? Not to mention that the avowed GOP tax policy completely negates their fiscal conservatism.
In terms of state elections-- sure, vote for whomever. Loonies on both sides need a kick occasionally. |
I notice that you equate these conversations a lot with voting or what party to vote for. I don't. A lot of my comments here are about inaccurate or completely partisan comments. I don't care who you vote for. This thread in particular and my quoted comments have noting to do with voting. |
I'll clue you in, James. If the thread's about Obama and/or Romney, it has to do with who you and everyone else should vote for-- it's not generally a debate about what some hypothetical total dictator would ideally do in total power. You can whine that neither party fully represents you, but again, you have to pick one for each election. |
Um, is this thread about Obama or Romney. |
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stevesliva
Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 10153 Location: SEA
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| James wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | James wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | James wrote: | | Speaking of serious. I have commented here about personally being socially liberal yet fiscally conservative. I got chastised pretty good on that. Something about how politically convenient that was or something like that. I think even Seki commented on it. I did not and still don't get why that is confusing or some type of problem for liberals to understand. |
It's not. However with any federal election, you have to choose which to prioritize. Do you vote for an ounce of fiscal improvement that comes with 10 pounds of "social" "conservatism" and fiscal policies that are basically activist? Or do you compromise the fiscal conservatism very slightly? Not to mention that the avowed GOP tax policy completely negates their fiscal conservatism.
In terms of state elections-- sure, vote for whomever. Loonies on both sides need a kick occasionally. |
I notice that you equate these conversations a lot with voting or what party to vote for. I don't. A lot of my comments here are about inaccurate or completely partisan comments. I don't care who you vote for. This thread in particular and my quoted comments have noting to do with voting. |
I'll clue you in, James. If the thread's about Obama and/or Romney, it has to do with who you and everyone else should vote for-- it's not generally a debate about what some hypothetical total dictator would ideally do in total power. You can whine that neither party fully represents you, but again, you have to pick one for each election. |
Um, is this thread about Obama or Romney. |
You think any thread here is some sort of magical place where policy debates don't boil down to who you're going to vote for? You are an incorrigible idealist. |
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chemman

Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 5830 Location: Flying over the Earth poisoning you with chemtrails
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| James wrote: | | Chemman, one would think you would have at least an ounce of humility. I mean I think it is just common courtesy that after posting what is quite possibly the dumbest post I have read in over a month you would let it rest. |
Don't worry about it dude, I think your "jokes" logic or what ever you want to term it are just about the stupidest comments ever.
And still you have no comment about the real topic of this thread, Speaks volumes man.
 _________________ Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison.
BF's French lady.
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NoOneInParticular
Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 3608 Location: VT
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| chemman wrote: | but yes James it does explain how you get a GAY republican congressman.
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people vote for him
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Sugarloafer

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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| stevesliva wrote: | | Sugarloafer wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | James wrote: | | Speaking of serious. I have commented here about personally being socially liberal yet fiscally conservative. I got chastised pretty good on that. Something about how politically convenient that was or something like that. I think even Seki commented on it. I did not and still don't get why that is confusing or some type of problem for liberals to understand. |
It's not. However with any federal election, you have to choose which to prioritize. Do you vote for an ounce of fiscal improvement that comes with 10 pounds of "social" "conservatism" and fiscal policies that are basically activist? Or do you compromise the fiscal conservatism very slightly? Not to mention that the avowed GOP tax policy completely negates their fiscal conservatism.
In terms of state elections-- sure, vote for whomever. Loonies on both sides need a kick occasionally. |
What a f*cking riot !! This suggests that you agree with some conservative views but that they may not be a priority for you, so you vote for the liberal agenda. |
What do you mean by "liberal agenda?" |
The opposite of conservative OR are you playing "Moderate Steve" for purposes of this discussion?
Again, please show us ANY post that you've ever made in here that supports or agrees with a conservative/Republican view on anything ! I'm taking quite a risk with this challenge because most people could come up with at least one, but I'll bet you can't !  _________________ "Take it from a member of the male species, walking around in public with an erection is somewhat of an embarrassment unless you are a bit..... off"........Bunion |
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stevesliva
Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 10153 Location: SEA
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| NoOneInParticular wrote: | | chemman wrote: | but yes James it does explain how you get a GAY republican congressman.
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people vote for him
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Can't think of a better way to convince people they're not voting for the evangelical agenda... even if they probably are. Pack the federal courts with judges as openminded as Sugarloafer.
I'd still love to hear what this "liberal agenda" is. Terrible things like getting people private health insurance? And gays. Something about the gays. |
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stevesliva
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Sugarloafer wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | Sugarloafer wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | James wrote: | | Speaking of serious. I have commented here about personally being socially liberal yet fiscally conservative. I got chastised pretty good on that. Something about how politically convenient that was or something like that. I think even Seki commented on it. I did not and still don't get why that is confusing or some type of problem for liberals to understand. |
It's not. However with any federal election, you have to choose which to prioritize. Do you vote for an ounce of fiscal improvement that comes with 10 pounds of "social" "conservatism" and fiscal policies that are basically activist? Or do you compromise the fiscal conservatism very slightly? Not to mention that the avowed GOP tax policy completely negates their fiscal conservatism.
In terms of state elections-- sure, vote for whomever. Loonies on both sides need a kick occasionally. |
What a f*cking riot !! This suggests that you agree with some conservative views but that they may not be a priority for you, so you vote for the liberal agenda. |
What do you mean by "liberal agenda?" |
The opposite of conservative OR are you playing "Moderate Steve" for purposes of this discussion?
Again, please show us ANY post that you've ever made in here that supports or agrees with a conservative/Republican view on anything ! I'm taking quite a risk with this challenge because most people could come up with at least one, but I'll bet you can't !  |
You mean the "liberal agenda" is the stuff you personally don't support? Where are your posts supporting or agreeing with any democrats? |
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James
Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 6984 Location: Castle Rock, CO
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| chemman wrote: | | James wrote: | | Chemman, one would think you would have at least an ounce of humility. I mean I think it is just common courtesy that after posting what is quite possibly the dumbest post I have read in over a month you would let it rest. |
Don't worry about it dude, I think your "jokes" logic or what ever you want to term it are just about the stupidest comments ever.
And still you have no comment about the real topic of this thread, Speaks volumes man.
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You pride yourself on always being what you think is sarcastic and provocative and now you are whining because I don't respond in a serious manner.
Has it ever occurred to you that I am more then pleased that someone with your internet personality feels the way you claim about me.
If for some temporarily convenient reason (like acting like an idiot) you want to step outside this character you have created here and ask a serious question feel free but there has to be a question and not the sarcastic rant you started this thread with. |
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James
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| stevesliva wrote: | | You think any thread here is some sort of magical place where policy debates don't boil down to who you're going to vote for? You are an incorrigible idealist. |
Um, yea. Do you think everyone is as singularly obsessed and stubborn as you?
It is not all about you and how you think. I am free to engage in any type of conversation I want and I would best for most people here most threads are not about who you will vote for. |
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chemman

Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 5830 Location: Flying over the Earth poisoning you with chemtrails
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| James wrote: | | chemman wrote: | | James wrote: | | Chemman, one would think you would have at least an ounce of humility. I mean I think it is just common courtesy that after posting what is quite possibly the dumbest post I have read in over a month you would let it rest. |
Don't worry about it dude, I think your "jokes" logic or what ever you want to term it are just about the stupidest comments ever.
And still you have no comment about the real topic of this thread, Speaks volumes man.
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You pride yourself on always being what you think is sarcastic and provocative and now you are whining because I don't respond in a serious manner.
Has it ever occurred to you that I am more then pleased that someone with your internet personality feels the way you claim about me.
If for some temporarily convenient reason (like acting like an idiot) you want to step outside this character you have created here and ask a serious question feel free but there has to be a question and not the sarcastic rant you started this thread with. |
Regardless of your opinion, there actually is a bit of on topic discussion. I know it is painful to see the dirty laundry of the GOP but hey we are all human, yes? _________________ Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison.
BF's French lady.
http://cleardarksky.com/c/LkDllnObCokey.html |
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James
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| stevesliva wrote: | | Where are your posts supporting or agreeing with any democrats? |
This whole thread is about a republican with some liberal view points and how the liberals can't get there mind around that concept. Both Loafer and I have stated we agree with some of these view points. |
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stevesliva
Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 10153 Location: SEA
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| James wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | You think any thread here is some sort of magical place where policy debates don't boil down to who you're going to vote for? You are an incorrigible idealist. |
Um, yea. Do you think everyone is as singularly obsessed and stubborn as you?
It is not all about you and how you think. I am free to engage in any type of conversation I want and I would best for most people here most threads are not about who you will vote for. |
Just about everyone here, yes. What I don't get with you is why you espouse practicality but seem determined to not boil things down to the actual choice that you have to make. What purpose does it serve spending so much time hair-rending about what an imperfect choice it is? Just lay it out and choose. Most of the "but both sides do it" shit is just an excuse invoked to avoid choosing. You see people being "partisan." I see people like you trying really hard only to criticize both sides but never admit to actually judging one better than the other, which is nuts, because they're so copulating different these days. |
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James
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| chemman wrote: | | James wrote: | | chemman wrote: | | James wrote: | | Chemman, one would think you would have at least an ounce of humility. I mean I think it is just common courtesy that after posting what is quite possibly the dumbest post I have read in over a month you would let it rest. |
Don't worry about it dude, I think your "jokes" logic or what ever you want to term it are just about the stupidest comments ever.
And still you have no comment about the real topic of this thread, Speaks volumes man.
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You pride yourself on always being what you think is sarcastic and provocative and now you are whining because I don't respond in a serious manner.
Has it ever occurred to you that I am more then pleased that someone with your internet personality feels the way you claim about me.
If for some temporarily convenient reason (like acting like an idiot) you want to step outside this character you have created here and ask a serious question feel free but there has to be a question and not the sarcastic rant you started this thread with. |
Regardless of your opinion, there actually is a bit of on topic discussion. I know it is painful to see the dirty laundry of the GOP but hey we are all human, yes? |
From whom, certainly not you. Read your comments they are typical of you to the T. If you want to bring the conversation from you down to a normal level feel free. I might even play for a while. |
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stevesliva
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| James wrote: | | stevesliva wrote: | | Where are your posts supporting or agreeing with any democrats? |
This whole thread is about a republican with some liberal view points and how the liberals can't get there mind around that concept. Both Loafer and I have stated we agree with some of these view points. |
But I'm being held to a higher standard that this sort of tenuousness? Of course! Why would anyone here question Sugarloafer's bonafides as a true centrist?
As for the gay GOP dude-- are you saying people should choose the person to vote for an not consider who they'll caucus with? That would be pretty naive. It's like deliberately choosing not to use all the information available. You know SL's primary interest in this dude is that he's GOP. |
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