Forum Index

 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Looking for hard shell jacket - NEED HELP
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic     Forum Index -> Telemark Talk Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
bogon



Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 107
Location: west Ukraine

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tree7sheep wrote:
Powder skirts are great also for keeping in your hardly generated heat , and keeping the jackets mid area snug when not wearing a backpack/harness.
exactly!

I cannot live w/o double zip, it's a must - I want to see my tie-in point sometimes, yuo know... Also I use it as a third vent when snow/rain/wind direction allows.

So the consensus seems to be Performance < Pro-shell it seems...
Got it.
I don't care how the garment looks - my views are rather utilitarian.
Will chat w/backcountry and research RAB Latok, then report here.

I used to have some items on my radar then wait for sales (at least 30% off), but this one is getting tough, so I might even pay full price.

edit: Whoa, this RAB Latok seems to be good indeed! I'll email them about powder skirt.
_________________
Addicted to Freedom


Last edited by bogon on Thu May 31, 2012 10:20 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bogon



Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 107
Location: west Ukraine

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for hard shell jacket - NEED HELP Reply with quote

rsireland3 wrote:
bogon wrote:
6'3'' 175lbs
:shock:You are on the right track with cheeseburgers.
whatcha mean?

I used to weight 139lbs with the same height for years and they still wanted me to waste 2 years of my life in ukrainian army, so I paid a bribe. Now I finally have a good job (like 16x of usual .ua salary, ~0.4x US) so I eat food. But no cheeseburgers.
_________________
Addicted to Freedom
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AmHes



Joined: 14 Jan 2010
Posts: 378
Location: FaLLEn Hindi, links

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norrona Lofoten GoreTex Active Jacket ticks quite a few of the boxes you wanted...

http://www.norrona.com/Products/5010-11/lofoten-gore-tex-active-jacket-m
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bogon



Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 107
Location: west Ukraine

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth Vickers wrote:
The Latok Tour jacket is a product that we no long produce, due to very poor sales.
so no powder skirt for me it seems Sad
_________________
Addicted to Freedom
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nils



Joined: 06 Dec 2004
Posts: 7309
Location: tahoe

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another alternative to a powder skirt is an elastic cord running from the back of the jacket, clipping in to a loop on the front of the jacket. not sure if any of the current mega $$$ full-on mountaineering jackets come with this option, but back in the day you did see it on some high end brands in their alpine mountaineering models. as a dirtbag grad student, i used to sew on my own ($5 in materials, maybe 15 minutes of work). works best with a jacket that is cut long in the back; if the cut on the front side is high, then it doesn't interfere w/ harness IME.

besides cutting down on the weight and bulk of a powder skirt when the jacket is in your pack, this approach also is much more effective at keeping out snow if you fall (unless your powder skirt has attachment tabs for attaching to your ski pants...some of mine do, but it's a pain in the ass in backcountry situations).
_________________
"Now is not the time for sound-bites" - David Cameron

For Sale: 7tm bindings
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tele505



Joined: 27 Oct 2010
Posts: 35
Location: Ottawa, Canada

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: one quiver shell hijack! Reply with quote

I think the 1 quiver jacket is a bit like a 1 quiver ski....Why. I've moved to soft shell in winter with a unltra light goretex shell for mixed precipitation or ultra windy day. Like a mid weight shell for shoulder seasons and same light weight shell in the summer. Dont have a jacket that fits the OPs criteria. A bit like the one quiver ski...good at everything but not excellent for any but a few of the intended uses! Come on man help get the economy going by buying the perfect jacket for each of your activities.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tree7sheep



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 702
Location: Green grass, blue skies, sunshine - Joy :P

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one has a snowskirt and 2 way front zip. Razz

http://www.mountain-equipment.co.uk/the_gear/clothing/waterproof/kamchatka_jacket---648/


Mountain Equipment is super good quality with innovative features - i bought a synthetic puffy jacket of theirs' last winter,
which i am really stoked about.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
bogon



Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 107
Location: west Ukraine

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ended up buying Rab Latok jacket.
Was wearing it during summer and autumn so far, and all I can say for now - eVent breathes so well I was able to scramble fast on 70 degree lava flows on Black Sea shore non-stop (in stormy, but warm weather) while wearing a day pack. Pit zips came handy at times through the summer. Fit is climbing-specific - articulated sleeves, long back, some space (except maybe in forearms - 200 fleece max, and I'm no Popeye either) to put even a down vest underneath, and all that. Main pockets (all four) are really great.

My only complaints are: the inner mesh pocket(s) are small (maybe will post some photos later to clarify) and I will be unable to dry my gloves in them. Elastic cord in the waist may help with this partially (it surely helps with fit). Also no snow skirt and no powder strap to keep it from riding up in powder dive scenario.

I'd swap velcros on storm flap to magnets any time Wink

Will buy their Latok salopettes, too, if I'll see them on sale.

Now what I need is wind-blocking, insulated with 200g of Primaloft One, DWR'd (internally as DWR-coated insulation, and externally) "belay parka". It must be lighter than Patagonia D.A.S and not sewn-thru. And, as always, double zip pull and double mesh pockets to keep my water from icing... And climb-spec cuffs & hood.
http://www.montane.co.uk/products/men/insulation/ice-guide-jacket/1025 looks Ok but it is only non-DWR'd Primaloft Eco... Sad
_________________
Addicted to Freedom
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
benny



Joined: 06 Dec 2004
Posts: 2867
Location: NY

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bogon,

What size did you buy?
_________________
____________________________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
no more headplants



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Posts: 195
Location: Wiltshire

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/101010511_v_2016_M/Nordwand-Jacket-Men.html
Don't know if you can find this your side of the pond. Its a slim fit so you would need large. The sleeves are longer than most.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DougR



Joined: 17 Dec 2004
Posts: 206
Location: PA

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mammut Lanin:

http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/101012160_v_5426_S/Lanin-Jacket-Men.html
_________________
DougR
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Jopcook



Joined: 23 Aug 2007
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for hard shell jacket - NEED HELP Reply with quote

bogon wrote:
Hello there!

I (6'3'' 175lbs) am in search for good 4-season hard shell, and for nearly two years now w/o success.
May be someone here will help me to find it?

If You know a jacket that has:
- no insulation
- durable fabric that is totally waterproof and breezes well enough for summer climbing
- anatomical fit (esp. articulated elbows and no lift when rising arms)
- longer sleeves
- main zipper with two sliders
- pit zippers or - better - full side zips
- fully adjustable (with one hand) helmet-compatible hood with brim (or at least wire) that is not bulky when used w/o helmet
- detachable snow skirt
- pockets that are still useable while wearing harness or pack belt
- inner mesh pockets to dry my gloves
- and is not made in china (Vietnam is ok)
please, please tell me.

It has to withstand horizontal downpur all day long while hiking in summer, and in winter I must be able to wear some layers (but not down vest) under it while climbing and skiing in strong winds and temps below zero.

I was thinking Gore-Tex Performance, Gore-Tex Pro Shell or maybe eVent (I have my doubts about the latter).
I don't know about Conduit, Bombshell, H2No and the like. Maybe You do?
It will be great if the jacket will be welded and not sewn then taped (I have my hope).

Let's pretend money do not matter and I just want the best (in fact they do, thus I need great durability, abrasion resistance and versatility).

So, any thoughts?


Here you go - http://www.outdoorresearch.com/en/shop-by-sport/sidecountry-skiing/jackets/mens-inertia-jacket.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bogon



Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Posts: 107
Location: west Ukraine

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benny wrote:
What size did you buy?
Large
(I'm 6'2.5'' 175lbs, rather long hands - bent 75cm from shoulder to base of palm, 98cm chest 89cm waist 1m hips).
I haven't had it over thick mid-layers yet - will report on that later.
DougR wrote:
Here you go - http://www.outdoorresearch.com/en/shop-by-sport/sidecountry-skiing/jackets/mens-inertia-jacket.html
Ouch.
Where have You been earlier Smile
The pockets on it seem to be rather better.

OTOH Gore-tex ProShell seems rather worse IME that 3-layer eVent Smile The latter really breathes well.
And the price...

I heard Latok pants & gloves are very good too.

No luck with belay parka yet, other than I know now that Primaloft One is the least durable of its class (but slightly better even of Climashield Apex).
BPL forum is really informative in this regard, especially posts by Richard Nisley. I may as well go desperate, buy the stuff needed and sew it myself.
_________________
Addicted to Freedom
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic     Forum Index -> Telemark Talk Forum All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




 

Dr. Telemark (reviews, etc.) | Forum Guidelines | Search | Legal/Terms of Use

All of the comments above are owned by the poster, telemarktips.com is not responsible in any way for the content. The views expressed by the posters are not necessarily those of Tt.com, its management or owners. Ski safe, be happy, rip it up, smile on your brother and sister!