Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 222 Location: Mill Valley, California
Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:47 am Post subject:
ghostofcarl wrote:
I wouldn't draw a comparison between the comments regarding ttips and those regarding SA it misses a fair bit of meat.
The actual meat is that the site owner divorced his wife and took up with a sailing photographer, Nicole Scott, who he then force fed to his audience as the next greatest thing ever, before she was exposed as a skank, a fraud and an alleged criminal.
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 425 Location: in a subaru down by the dry wash
Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:58 am Post subject:
freeheelwilly wrote:
I'm sorry Mitch. I think he's probably a nice guy too - just not my cup of tea. He's old and just sort of....weird. He's kinda of that quintessential, hippie baby-boomer and I'm sort of a quintessential Gen-X'r. It's less political than it is...cultural. He's an unreconstructed hippie; sometimes I think he just stepped off some strange, VW micro-bus, time machine. I don't really care for his generation. I think they're a mess and I think they left a mess. Poor Rob kind of personifies that segment of society to me so I take shots at him. That's about as good an explanation as I can muster in two or three minutes of thinking about it but it's probably pretty close. On a personal level I'm pretty sure Rob's a good guy. But I don't see him on a personal level. I see him as a stand-in here for an aging and ever more irrelevant, self-centered generation that wrote a bunch of checks that I'm expected to make good on. Or something like that.
I'm of Gen-X age and I hate to break it to you, man, but we're old.
Aging, irrelevant, and self-centered is what we have to look forward to.
You should start saving your ammo for young people. Goddam young people! What right do they have to be so ... young?!
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 6542 Location: Behind the wheel
Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:26 am Post subject:
Dan Kinser wrote:
ghostofcarl wrote:
I wouldn't draw a comparison between the comments regarding ttips and those regarding SA it misses a fair bit of meat.
The actual meat is that the site owner divorced his wife and took up with a sailing photographer, Nicole Scott, who he then force fed to his audience as the next greatest thing ever, before she was exposed as a skank, a fraud and an alleged criminal.
Really? That's why the "You've had your fun...." thread is there?
That shit just goes over my head 'round there I just look at the pics read the boat centric threads.
Can't fault Ed or Clean though, they adroitly handled the situation when that person who shall remain anonymous' security detail came around demanding my info.....
What's a "skank"? _________________ DUCKBILLS FOREVER!
"Always remember, a cat looks down on man, a dog looks up to man, but a pig will look man right in the eye and see his equal."
I didn't read all 90+ pages but I reminded me of the unfortunate experience of loosing a young friend and fellow skin-track comrade this past January. I don't care to speak of the mistakes, nor the brutal outcome leading to his untimely passing, but I had my concern. I vocalized them with the help of several co-workers and friends, on several occasions, over the course of a couple of 'good' winters. Even up to a week prior. He understood the risks, he wasn't dumb. He was young. Twenty-four, damn near 25.
We saw his car at the trailhead on the way to work at 6:15am, heard the rescue call over the radio: wondered, joked, and laughed.
"Nah. No way."
"All parties accounted for, one echo."~came over the radio.
Made a phone call. No answer. Called again, straight to voice mail. WTF.
Called Dispatch. Got an update.
"Three in the party, two snowboarders, one skier, one snowboarder dead. One echo."
Long pause.
"Did you see his car was at that trailhead this morning? He's not answering the phone"
"We dont have any more information... just what I told you..."
Boss calls the sheriff. The shits hit the fan. Bearded men with tears pooled. "It was him." Angry. Pissed. Numb. Pass his car at the trailhead on the way home. "What the fµck! His car is still there! His fµcking car is still there!"
Urgent texts: "Call me ASAP Please!". Phone calls to friends at 6:30 on Sunday morning just so they don't read it on the front page or watch it on the news.
"I hate to ruin your day... but...(deep breath|exhale) well I don't know how to say this... but, uhh, well, Alecs died in an avalanche off Kessler Peak yesterday."
"Your kidding!"
"I really wish I could be kidding but I'm not. He's dead. Gone."
Some of the online Heisman candidates made their faceless points, as did the 20/12 visionaries. When a preventable death doesn't effect you its easy to mark the mistakes on paper or online. When you put the face of a friend behind it, their death becomes part of you. You knew them, you knew their life, their personality, and now their gone. You still get to wake up, walk the earth and remember.
When you don't know them, it's just another name atop a blank test paper. You don't have to grade it because you already know they have failed. But you don't want to leave it blank so you write "F" and the rest of the interwebz follows. I did it. Back when I had hair and brain cells. Now that both are gone and I'm in the "30something hair-club for people who dont charge hard anymore," its a helluva lot easier to see the douche-bag in me by looking at the douche-bags around me.
I'm not saying your all douche-bags, but forums are the face-free playgrounds for many on the weekdays. And rather than playing kick ball, or running the monkey bars, some throw rocks just to ruin the fun.
it really is the same formula for every activity specific forum. you should see the nesurf.com forum.
someone dies surfing, "he was a moron for going beyond his abilities" etc. then the obligatory "christ man, he's dead. have some respect" and the shit show evolves.
it was a good group for a while, we even organized take overs of other forums. once, we took over a llama forum, we were there for a while and slowly gained trust and then started in with the insanity. it was funny for us, but they went out of their minds.
the internet is good for selling things buying things and porn.
Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 17872 Location: following Diogenes, but the ba$tard threw away the lamp so I'm just stumbling along in the dark!
Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:58 am Post subject:
Bullet Proof glass seems to encourage stone throwers... _________________ "Moderate is not the new Low" - Chris Joosen, USFS Lead Snow Ranger (Tuckerman Ravine, White Mountains National Forest)
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 3170 Location: Wenatchee
Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject:
robrox wrote:
Bullet Proof glass seems to encourage stone throwers...
What does this mean? Does it mean you are surround by bullet proof glass, you're so enlightened that no one can touch you and everyone is jealous and takes shots at you? Most of the time I ignore your posts, but I have to agree with willy sometimes. Your posting can get annoying with all the subtle ego boosting name drops and references to how you used to be a pro cyclist and the nauseating prose about esoteric subjects interjected into threads that really have nothing to do with the subject. I don't get it. Some people eat that shit up, to me it gets annoying after a while. I bet you are a nice guy in person though, probably like most folks here, really, I mean it.
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 8569 Location: on your nerves....
Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject:
aaron_wright wrote:
robrox wrote:
Bullet Proof glass seems to encourage stone throwers...
What does this mean? Does it mean you are surround by bullet proof glass, you're so enlightened that no one can touch you and everyone is jealous and takes shots at you? Most of the time I ignore your posts, but I have to agree with willy sometimes. Your posting can get annoying with all the subtle ego boosting name drops and references to how you used to be a pro cyclist and the nauseating prose about esoteric subjects interjected into threads that really have nothing to do with the subject. I don't get it. Some people eat that shit up, to me it gets annoying after a while. I bet you are a nice guy in person though, probably like most folks here, really, I mean it.
It's annoying but I sort of get a kick out of it because he's so predictable. His prose is turgid and self-impressed. Who writes like that? Who even WANTS to write like that? It's painful to read. Often he'll just capitalize what appear to be random words in a sentence, like he's channeling some 19th century philosopher. He's weird but willfully so. I think he does it it consciously and in an attempt to draw attention to himself and lend a certain weight and gravitas to his words that they don't deserve. That's why I don't feel bad about targeting him; he loves the attention. He tries to disguise his misplaced arrogance in this kindly, avuncular schtick but in the end he's just a blow hard with an oversized ego and too much time on his hands. I may be too, but I don't try to conceal it.
The big difference is all of us own skis and, well, ski. Most of the SA posters don't own boats. You can tell by the comments who doesn't. They're the ones with the least regard and biggest mouths about how to put together and run a boat sans the 'how to pay for it' part.
Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 1690 Location: back to the group "W" bench
Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject:
Thanks Mitch for the post, thoughts and your forum
Thanks to the Quills too - those who died in avalanches on the internet may be faceless to many but they are not meaningless deaths...I take each one to heart and do not feel that I am better then they (comes with age as do many things) and that it can't happen to me.....because of what I've read on this forum I have consciously decided not to use or to replace my F1 beacon - for may reasons
Probably a PhD in sociology somewhere in here _________________ .....clueless....
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That's why the "You've had your fun...." thread is there? 
