He's not double poling at all. If you look carefully, you see he plants the inside pole. Then after the pole plant, he touches the outside pole to the snow. It's a separate move--one that serves little useful purpose other than as a mental tic. And it looks like crap compared to the rest of his turns.
And still no love for Xzibit on this thread?
just watched it and tore it apart..There are both full dpp and staggered pole plants in it..sometimes he plants both, jumps up a bit and releases one pole before the other..still he plants both @ the same time and staggers the releases..sometimes it's silmultaneous releases.. _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
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Christ, Ron, you just love calling me out, don't you. Aren't you currently getting enough negative attention from about a dozen others?
Ron, if you think DPP is a useful skill to have, why do you continuously chide me for using it a couple of times in that short video clip? And I would even suggest that sometimes DPP helps me in conditions like those in the vid. So what? I just try to have fun when I ski and I don't care what a "perfect" would do. I also don't care at all if people think this makes me a better or worse skier. Get over it already.
your obsession with DPP necessitates a signature change: "You down with DPP? Yeah, you know VD!"
Back to poetry, ehh jonesie ?? _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject:
vdrifter11 wrote:
Danno wrote:
Some funny things in this thread.
Pedro is intentionally being Ron-like, yet Ron doesn't get it.
However, it is also funny that Ron insists that DPP is objectively "good" technique, while at the same time claiming to answer yes and yes to the above questions. DPP is a technique of "rescue", it can and should be used if you're off balance and need the support. I doubt anyone would argue otherwise. But good skiing, objectively, should not involve being off balance, ever. A hypothetical perfect skier would always be balanced, and would, therefore, never have to resort to a DPP. This seems abundantly obvious.
Most of us, however, are not perfect skiers, so we do get off-balance from time to time, and when we do, we are free to use whatever techniques we have to get us back in balance. DPP is one such technique, and a good one for that circumstance. That does not, however, suggest that DPP is "good technique". It is only "good technique" in a similar way that snowplowing is "good technique", ie something to use when things get too hairy for you, but not something that you aspire to do.
Pedr-o is just a moron ..I have never seen an original post by him, period..The schtick he was using above he got from X-man, Talk-o and Cyrus and had nothing to do with me ..There's no way to stay perfectly balance in crud..It's perfectly irregular..Dpp is not "just" a rescue technique per se , unless you consider re-centering and dynamic balance, pickin up speed, jumps turns and a bunch of other matters all to be matters of "rescue", if so, then all skiing is a matter of using "rescue " techniques in that you do what works @ any given moment or you fail..I suggets that no one teach DPP , even though it is taught by the us ski team.
Ok, it's good technique. I don't really care. I do it on occasion, when I'm off balance and sometimes when I'm just not paying attention, but I strive to never do it. You think otherwise. Cool. And feel free to have this esoteric argument with whoever you choose, in threads dedicated to the argument. In other threads, you are free to offer your advice, but I think you might want to take my advice and ignore those who disagree with you or take shots at you or whatever. If you can. _________________ "anecdotes are fine assbaggery is not"
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject:
So Ron, based on this quote "led me to take a much deeper and closer look @ the subject." and all your posts you should be an expert on this subject by now. Regarding your endless talk about racers and your post about Mikaela Shiffren and this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SfpX8bFa_zI
Can you tell me why she is occasionally making a DPP, what happens immediately before she makes the DPP and what is unique in Slalom racing that causes here to do what I asked in the second question.
Come on Ron you should be able to nail this and show us all how much you know and how foolish we are. I don't want to add any pressure but if you don't nail this I am going to shove the "authority card" down your throat again.
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Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 11182 Location: People's Republic of A**holia
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject:
jonesinski wrote:
Actually, I was trying to make a serious point.
He's just trying to show you that you are a more awesome skier than you think you are. _________________ "anecdotes are fine assbaggery is not"
"But of course to Telemark is just one function of ski gear, but to have fun is the other. If I so much want to make Parallel turns all day long, I shall do this as well"
He's not double poling at all. If you look carefully, you see he plants the inside pole. Then after the pole plant, he touches the outside pole to the snow. It's a separate move--one that serves little useful purpose other than as a mental tic. And it looks like crap compared to the rest of his turns.
And still no love for Xzibit on this thread?
Not so fast , bro!
His releases are often staggered but he pulls with both poles and plants them @ the same time..Look at where the poles get planted. The "uphill" pole gets released first naturally..
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Last edited by vdrifter11 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:48 pm; edited 2 times in total
So Ron, based on this quote "led me to take a much deeper and closer look @ the subject." and all your posts you should be an expert on this subject by now. Regarding your endless talk about racers and your post about Mikaela Shiffren and this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SfpX8bFa_zI
Can you tell me why she is occasionally making a DPP, what happens immediately before she makes the DPP and what is unique in Slalom racing that causes here to do what I asked in the second question.
Come on Ron you should be able to nail this and show us all how much you know and how foolish we are. I don't want to add any pressure but if you don't nail this I am going to shove the "authority card" down your throat again.
Ahh come on James, I posted it so you would tell us..Does it have anything to do with recentering or balance in general? Oh, or gates? _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
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Come on Ron I am rooting for you. You are getting warm but vague guesses are not allowed. Ttips rules you know. Really show us what you got.
I went, your turn! the safe guess with alpine skiers is recentering..or just moving the cog to wherever it is u want it..looks like she gets back @ the end of her turns and
moves herself up and forward.. Fore-aft balance..
lateral balance I think not so much.. _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject:
After all this blah, blah, blah that is the best you got. From warm to cold. I will give you one more try since I know after a few hundred posts on this subject you must be an expert.
Gate blocking could be an old stand-by cliche' guess..
she def is sitting way down and back @ the end
of her turns , and she has to get forward! How the fk ya gonna start the next turn sitting on the backs of the skis?
I'll look in slo mo..cheat a little..
but i have to go get some coffee hut coffee.. and some beer for later..and some milk.. and a porn mag-- nah not really..of course maybe she just wants to make sure she has both HANDS IN FRONT! and dpp can be good for that, provided you are really facing downhill..basically ..you can drag your hands and shift your shoulders even when you think you are facing downhill, but not if the hands are in front!!! _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
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Wow I have no words. I honestly thought you would do OK with this. The Ron school of random, incohesive thoughts on movement analysis.
ha ha..
let's let Pedro tell us all about it!..Actually i have not had time to watch it carefully again..but it will tear it down frame by frame! better yet, i'll just cheat and send it to my old racer friend..or one of our instructor friends! _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
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