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skifreeK
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| hdiddy wrote: | Well, I know there's this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUoj-7l1yPE
Pretty awesome turns. Doesn't seem like a surfy-style of skiing but obviously extremely effective. I guess it sorta looks like he's extending his front foot but I consider it to be a byproduct of some well balanced scissoring between the two feet. There's lots of extension/compression involved as well. Looks great and very smooth but also seems tiring. Some of counter rotation, esp when it gets steep. |
Wow, that's a nice bit of "how to". Tree segment was a bit turn-ee for my preferences in pow, but too each their own, and he certainly owned his choice of style.
The crud-bumps bit was great! Tits-to-the-lodge, hands down out front leading the way, hips sucked up pushing down the hill chasing the hands, stomping the edges of BOTH skis powering the lead ski through whatever was in front of it and the little toe stomping the rear ski from the first instant so it had no time what-so-ever to go looking for mischief. Dancing at the edge of chaos with solid form providing a platform for recovery when things didn't go quite right...back seated at 1:56, booom...shoot everything right down the fall line and recover in the next turn, out of sync a bit earlier than that, booom.....toss in a couple of quick wiggly p-turns and jump right back on it. Watched it several times and think I'm about to watch it again another time or two.   |
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tele.skier
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| hdiddy wrote: | Well, I know there's this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUoj-7l1yPE
Pretty awesome turns. Doesn't seem like a surfy-style of skiing but obviously extremely effective. I guess it sorta looks like he's extending his front foot but I consider it to be a byproduct of some well balanced scissoring between the two feet. There's lots of extension/compression involved as well. Looks great and very smooth but also seems tiring. Some of counter rotation, esp when it gets steep. |
Great link.... that guy has plenty of all three elements that make a great skier,.... technique, intuition,.... and copulating strength.....
There's a lot of us who have 2 out of 3, but to get to his level, you have to be strong as hell... inspiring to watch, particularly the bumps...
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Rodbelan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Nah, not him... He is very inspiring but that's not him. The one I am referring to was skiing in a resort. The movement that I tried to describe was very evident... I have been searching like crazy on youtube... I'll find it some day... |
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gpp33
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Ok, I took my daughter up today so I made the best of a slushy blue groomer day and tried both of these techniques.
Surfy turns - didn't go so well. I guess I need to see the video, kept ending up in the back seat and off balance.
Super rapid turns - actually not too tiring, you scrub speed fast unless you keep them pointed straight down hill which makes switching lead skis kinda pointless. Might work better on a steeper hill or faster snow.
I still take fast long arcing turns though. To each their own. |
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hdiddy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:44 am Post subject: |
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I personally like skiing that type of turn in firmer/spring conditions with shorter/stiffer skis. In powder, I like more fast flowing turns, more speed to pop out of the snow. Most of the Japanese vids I've seen, they're not skiing very step lines. The closest one I've seen is this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCAKO3gWKHQ
"Tits to the lodge" is only one trick in the bag. Guy in the red/black striped jackets really shows off the upper body rotation - almost like what you see Wil Cardamone doing in the PW and Signatures flicks. That kinda thing works great on soft snow, but you wouldn't use it so much in skiing bumps.
There's no one turn that rules all, just ones that are more fun depending on the conditions.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Seems too back seat (torso away from gravity rather than perpendicular w slope); seems like too much legs
To me, torso perpendicular to slope plus action from the hips is better looking and feeling way to tele
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mark
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| hdiddy wrote: | | Most of the Japanese vids I've seen, they're not skiing very step lines. |
The lines are there, and there are a number of vids that have been shot in the N.Japan Alps, AK or Kamchatka that just don't make it over to this side of the pond. |
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mark
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| Rodbelan wrote: |
Nah, not him... He is very inspiring but that's not him. The one I am referring to was skiing in a resort. The movement that I tried to describe was very evident... I have been searching like crazy on youtube... I'll find it some day... |
Unfortunately there isn't really any good youtube vid of Hiro skiing in heavy tele gear. There are very few free heelers that are better. |
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benny
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| Rodbelan wrote: | | I wish I could find the link... The japanese guy was really radical, as if he was going to kick a ball with his leading ski... |
Was he doing "White Pass" drills? |
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edgeworker
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| That guy can cook on the skinnies!!!!! |
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vdrifter11
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I spent 5 hrs in a tele clinic last weekend working unorthodox things that aren't "PSIA" last weekend from a leading PSIA instructor. Opened my eyes to the fact that just about anything works as a tool if you find the right conditions for it. |
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| mark wrote: | | Rodbelan wrote: |
Nah, not him... He is very inspiring but that's not him. The one I am referring to was skiing in a resort. The movement that I tried to describe was very evident... I have been searching like crazy on youtube... I'll find it some day... |
Unfortunately there isn't really any good youtube vid of Hiro skiing in heavy tele gear. There are very few free heelers that are better. |
"Heavy" being relative , I thought I saw some t2's , maybe 3's?
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| The vid you've seen is mostly on XCD and probably T4's. I've seen him ski a good bit on T3's back when they were root beer colored and the same as the current T4's. I'm talking seeing him rip bumps, powder, and mank in T1's. Honestly, he can ski anything. It's just interesting to see how the gear effects tactics and outcome. |
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hdiddy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| mark wrote: | | hdiddy wrote: | | Most of the Japanese vids I've seen, they're not skiing very step lines. |
The lines are there, and there are a number of vids that have been shot in the N.Japan Alps, AK or Kamchatka that just don't make it over to this side of the pond. |
I know they're there, just most of the japanese skier vids are more like the terrain they're on when they're skiing XCD. "Signatures" captures plenty of steep lines, but they're all skied by westerners. I'd just like to see Hiro or Rasu-T ski through some of that on video to see what they would do.
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skifreeK
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| hdiddy wrote: | ...
There's no one turn that rules all, just ones that are more fun depending on the conditions. |
I totally agree with that. Those conditions at that time were crud-bumps and he rocked it with that style and technique. Different conditions and it's back to the quiver full of turns and technique for what fits, works, and is fun for you to apply to it. |
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