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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject:
Joni_M wrote:
chadh wrote:
...guess I don't get how special it is...
It always cracks me up when people I'm with view art and then can't wait to tell me how they don't get it!
Yes Chad, getting older is part of life and indeed most ski towns have their rugged lifers and such, but rarely do these older folks see their lifestyle on the big screen, this video pays homage to the elder statesmen and women everywhere, that's what makes it special.
Roger That!
Watching our elder sister rip that pow-pow is a treat in itself! _________________ "Moderate is not the new Low" - Chris Joosen, USFS Lead Snow Ranger (Tuckerman Ravine, White Mountains National Forest)
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject:
Joni_M wrote:
but rarely do these older folks see their lifestyle on the big screen, this video pays homage to the elder statesmen and women everywhere, that's what makes it special.
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I initially put up the link in a thread, which now appears to have been sent to the great beyond, to address some comments made by another poster concerning skiing and age.
It's not that the video is special in that it shows old folks enjoying skiing, because as you so noted: there's a lot of it going on all over the place.
The video is a representation of that broad reality.
It is not a, "OMFG....we found some old folks on skis!!! Quick, take a picture otherwise no one will believe us!" which is what you seem to be looking for to argue against.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:54 pm Post subject:
skifreeK wrote:
Context.
I initially put up the link in a thread, which now appears to have been sent to the great beyond, to address some comments made by another poster concerning skiing and age.
It's not that the video is special in that it shows old folks enjoying skiing, because as you so noted: there's a lot of it going on all over the place.
The video is a representation of that broad reality.
It is not a, "OMFG....we found some old folks on skis!!! Quick, take a picture otherwise no one will believe us!" which is what you seem to be looking for to argue against.
that thread isn't in the great beyond, it just has a different name.
And yes, I didn't look at the video and say "OMG, old people on skis! That's amazing!"
Rather, it touched at the heart of what I do, how I see myself, and how I want to see myself in 30 years (not 30 years for some of you, eh? ). Movies and books and other art don't have to describe something unusual or special to be great, some of the best movies and books and art describe the human condition -- things that we can relate to -- in a way that is poignant or special. Just like this clip does. _________________ "anecdotes are fine assbaggery is not"
"But of course to Telemark is just one function of ski gear, but to have fun is the other. If I so much want to make Parallel turns all day long, I shall do this as well"
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject:
skifreeK wrote:
Context.
I initially put up the link in a thread, which now appears to have been sent to the great beyond, to address some comments made by another poster concerning skiing and age.
It's not that the video is special in that it shows old folks enjoying skiing, because as you so noted: there's a lot of it going on all over the place.
The video is a representation of that broad reality.
It is not a, "OMFG....we found some old folks on skis!!! Quick, take a picture otherwise no one will believe us!" which is what you seem to be looking for to argue against.
no arguement.
just thinks its curious so many people get warm fuzzy's over watching daily skier's ski. like its a revelation.
nice snow, people having fun in the mountains, whod've thunk it.
maybe they rarely get to see they're art because they could give a shit that their daily life is somehow a representation of your hopeful self image
It always cracks me up when people I'm with view art and then can't wait to tell me how they don't get it!
Yes Chad, getting older is part of life and indeed most ski towns have their rugged lifers and such, but rarely do these older folks see their lifestyle on the big screen, this video pays homage to the elder statesmen and women everywhere, that's what makes it special.
Roger That!
Watching our elder sister rip that pow-pow is a treat in itself!
It's also a strong message telling us we don't have any excuses!
_________________ ~km
"Everyday is a potential avalanche day."
-Missiongravity
maybe they rarely get to see they're art because they could give a shit that their daily life is somehow a representation of your hopeful self image
Or maybe it's just that there is no money to be made. No sponsors lining up with free gear or film trips to Alaska. And Chad, therein lies a lot of the charm that comes along with the inspiration. Now young grasshopper, stop worrying about what other people enjoy and get busy working on your own "how to feather a clutch with ski boots on" video. We are all dying to see your work!
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject:
Joni_M wrote:
chadh wrote:
maybe they rarely get to see they're art because they could give a shit that their daily life is somehow a representation of your hopeful self image
Or maybe it's just that there is no money to be made. No sponsors lining up with free gear or film trips to Alaska. And Chad, therein lies a lot of the charm that comes along with the inspiration. Now young grasshopper, stop worrying about what other people enjoy and get busy working on your own "how to feather a clutch with ski boots on" video. We are all dying to see your work!
These stories/reports of always enjoyable, and allow one to hope for similar golden years, but I can't help but cringe a little at what often sounds like the mindset of it being a choice. Perhaps for a few it is, which of course is impossible to understand for those of us "hooked on a feeling" , but I really can't see it any other way than a gift - and a temporary one at that. Sure it's wonderful that someone can still be that physical at 75 or whatever, but do you really think we should all have that as an achievable goal? Prepare to be disappointed - a few might achieve it, most won't, simply because we all age at different rates and the chances of your being genetically blessed are not high. Many of us are already having to make compromises/reductions - I can't handle 3-D conditions, big bumps and low visibility/light - hence I'm on groomers at High Noon. I'm not saying that you should anticipate physical breakdown and quit early, but don't automatically condemn anyone for choosing to reduce or even eliminate something that they simply can't perform anymore. Do what you can, nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject:
Paul Lutes wrote:
These stories/reports of always enjoyable, and allow one to hope for similar golden years, but I can't help but cringe a little at what often sounds like the mindset of it being a choice. Perhaps for a few it is, which of course is impossible to understand for those of us "hooked on a feeling" , but I really can't see it any other way than a gift - and a temporary one at that. Sure it's wonderful that someone can still be that physical at 75 or whatever, but do you really think we should all have that as an achievable goal? Prepare to be disappointed - a few might achieve it, most won't, simply because we all age at different rates and the chances of your being genetically blessed are not high. Many of us are already having to make compromises/reductions - I can't handle 3-D conditions, big bumps and low visibility/light - hence I'm on groomers at High Noon. I'm not saying that you should anticipate physical breakdown and quit early, but don't automatically condemn anyone for choosing to reduce or even eliminate something that they simply can't perform anymore. Do what you can, nothing more, nothing less.
While I certainly can't argue that some of it is genetic chance, I respectfully disagree that it is all or even mostly genetic chance. How one takes care of one's body, how regularly one exercises, and one's outlook on life and how to live it play a huge role, IMO. There is a choice in there, I firmly believe that.
And I don't see anyone condemning people for choosing not to do what the people pictured are doing. We're celebrating them. Why does celebrating someone and their lifestyle -- one that many of us aspire to at their age -- automatically mean we condemn those who make a different choice? _________________ "anecdotes are fine assbaggery is not"
"But of course to Telemark is just one function of ski gear, but to have fun is the other. If I so much want to make Parallel turns all day long, I shall do this as well"
I absolutely agree, Danno: physical and mental actions definitely impact, both positively and negatively, how long we get to play ..... within the genetic maximum potential
It wasn't meant so much as a accusation of non-acceptance, as a admonishment to be realistic - most of us want to ski until we're 80, very few of us will be able to. And perhaps a little frustration on my part at being ahead of the curve aging-wise, in spite of serious efforts to delay the process. Everyone able to do so deserves to be celebrated, but it's a little bittersweet for some of us.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: Good points, Paul and Danno
I was composing a long response to Paul's posting, citing my 91-year-old father and his problems now that he's lost his athletic ability and mobility (heck, he's still alive and clear-headed), when Danno posted his comments.
Needless to say, both are right about this inspirational video: We all hope we can be like those 70- and 80-year-old Canadian skiers, but even if we can't, the sheer joy in skiing that they express is infectious.
I'm in my mid-60s, and I can't ski the way I did when I was in my 20s, 30s or even 50s. Still, I hope my lifestyle will let me retain my ability to enjoy the outdoors.
My father remains sharp mentally, but he barely moves--instead watching sports on television and regretting that he can no longer participate.
If that video teaches me anything, it's that I must never regret what I might lose to the ravages of age.
Just think about the alternative to growing older.
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). Movies and books and other art don't have to describe something unusual or special to be great, some of the best movies and books and art describe the human condition -- things that we can relate to -- in a way that is poignant or special. Just like this clip does.
