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Another avalanche where airbag wearer survives
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Matt J



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
another little tidbit they mentioned that he turned down the crown a few years back in order to marry the woman of his choice
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Airbags, Avalungs, Beacons, Cords (remember them?) There are no magic bullet's when caught in an avalanche. They all increase your chances of survival to various extents, but they all have their flaws and cost. Not getting caught in the first place? to be redundant, Priceless. I believe that evaluating the risk on EVERY RUN you take is the best tool you can use to stay alive. BTW I'm guilty of not using that tool on every run, though I think I'm getting better at it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkymonday wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17153623

Scroll down to the seventh-to-last paragraph. Seem like bs to anyone else?


You mean the 'reportedly dug his friend out with his own hands'?

In British English that could be intended to mean that he did it himself, as opposed to someone else doing it. Wasn't necessarily intended to mean he did it with bare hands as opposed to with his hands on a shovel.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nick (AT) wrote:
stinkymonday wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17153623

Scroll down to the seventh-to-last paragraph. Seem like bs to anyone else?


You mean the 'reportedly dug his friend out with his own hands'?

In British English that could be intended to mean that he did it himself, as opposed to someone else doing it. Wasn't necessarily intended to mean he did it with bare hands as opposed to with his hands on a shovel.


No, I'm referring to their consideration of charging the survivor with grevious bodily harm.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah - perhaps they have edited the story as that is now in the fourth to last paragraph.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
TahoeBC, in another thread, wrote:
B wrote:

This powerful image gives some pause for thought. Rest in peace.


It certainty does, I'll add a couple photo's from the Contention slide in Colorado on 2/13 that gave me the shivers, Air bag punctured and avi lung ripped in half

http://avalanche.state.co.us/acc/acc_report.php?accfm=inv&acc_id=442





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SteveK wrote:
TahoeBC, in another thread, wrote:
B wrote:

This powerful image gives some pause for thought. Rest in peace.


It certainty does, I'll add a couple photo's from the Contention slide in Colorado on 2/13 that gave me the shivers, Air bag punctured and avi lung ripped in half

http://avalanche.state.co.us/acc/acc_report.php?accfm=inv&acc_id=442




Effective as Talisman? Not by those sober results.

Thanks SteveK!
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Matt J



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
He was under the snow for 50 minutes. He's still in a coma and may not wake up from it. And in the unlikely case that he does wake up the amount of brain damage will most likely render him severely debilitated for life.

http://www.newser.com/story/140408/dutch-prince-caught-in-avalanche-may-not-wake-up.html

Don't think BCA will be putting this one on their website.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Matt J wrote:
Don't think BCA will be putting this one on their website.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing an airbag, though his partner (who survived the slide) was. Not to suggest that an airbag is a panacea, of course.
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SteveK



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
To be clear, the prince was not wearing an airbag.

The pictures of the mangled ABS and avalung are from the Telluride, CO accident.

Like robrox says, they aren't a talisman.

But everyone skiing in avvy terrain should learn how to use them, and wear them.

And then think about getting a beacon to supplement their recco.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SteveK wrote:

The pictures of the mangled ABS and avalung are from the Telluride, CO accident.


If you look at the pictures of the Telluride slide - the nature of the terrain likely dictated neither the avalung or airbag would have helped... steep, extremely tight tree choked gully.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And a thousand foot (in vertical) ride.

But then at Stevens Pass, I think the ride was just as long if not longer, steep, with lots of objects (media report indicates at least one of the three dead might be from trauma), and the one with airbag walked away.

Either way, definitely not a talisman.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SteveK wrote:
Either way, definitely not a talisman.


Yep, no such thing. Wits, experience, and luck. That's all we have really. The rest is just dressing.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Avalung My Friend
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Avalung My Friend
Nice!

As a musical aside, SomeGood just a few minutes ago FB posted that he was just listening to Dark Side of the Moon on an 8-Track...I think he has that bad boy mounted up in his Grooming Machine at Wentworth
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