Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 338 Location: In the sweet spot between the cradle and the grave (and Boston)
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:39 am Post subject:
thornton wrote:
i always thought that shovels were the bread and butter of voile's profits....
Sales have been up since "Mystery Men"
On the heavy side, but you can cold-cock villains in between strokes.
I will mourn the demise of the CRBs, and will hoard spare parts when the retailers begin dumping them. On the positive side, Voile is developing new split boards. Maybe they can come up with a game changer that rides rolling New England terrain _________________ Whoever makes a poor beer is transferred to the dung-hill. -- Edict, City of Danzig, 11th Century
Although sales of the CRB are small, that doesn’t mean Voile is turning a blind eye to interest in a releasable binding. Grissom went on to add that, “I do think a Switchback release binding would sell very well.”
That isn’t an official announcement of things to come but this writer does know that a releasable Switchback is on the drawing board. How soon that becomes a real product will depend on market demand and how well this small backcountry specific manufacturer can manage demand for existing products like the award winning Switchback and Switchback-X2, a five model ski line, and the burgeoning splitboard market that was pioneered by Voile.
Two possible glimmers of hope here.
The first and most obvious is the possibility of a releasable Switchback. If they can manage weight and complexity reasonably well, I think that would be stunning.
The second and more far fetched is that I wonder what will happen to the IP of the old, flat on the deck release plate. I rather suspect there are more uses for that system yet, even if Voile is done with it. Burnt Mountain maybe? _________________ Dave "Pinnah" Mann
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"It is impossible, or not easy, to do noble acts without the proper equipment."
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I skied CRBs for a lot of years, on a lot of skis, with a lot of different 75mm bindings. Once set up right they work pretty well but they can be awfully fiddly to set up right. The only thing worse than having to use them would have been not having them to use.
I've got a few of them for sale if anyone is interested.
Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 17876 Location: following Diogenes, but the ba$tard threw away the lamp so I'm just stumbling along in the dark!
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject:
I wandered into EMS today, paid Ten dollars plus 63 cents tax and walked out with an "as is" aged inventory Release Kit (Part 302, ski waist > 68-72 mm).
no climbing wires and it's missing some machine screws...
Wires should be easy and I'll see about a pair of hardwire 3-pin plates so I can upgrade my crossbows. Not fond of the BD-O3 bindings on the 'bows now. _________________ "Moderate is not the new Low" - Chris Joosen, USFS Lead Snow Ranger (Tuckerman Ravine, White Mountains National Forest)
Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 17876 Location: following Diogenes, but the ba$tard threw away the lamp so I'm just stumbling along in the dark!
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject:
s1am wrote:
I skied CRBs for a lot of years, on a lot of skis, with a lot of different 75mm bindings. Once set up right they work pretty well but they can be awfully fiddly to set up right. The only thing worse than having to use them would have been not having them to use.
I've got a few of them for sale if anyone is interested.
Got any 3-pin Hardwire plates for CRB? _________________ "Moderate is not the new Low" - Chris Joosen, USFS Lead Snow Ranger (Tuckerman Ravine, White Mountains National Forest)
Does anyone know why Voile won't sell plates separately ?
Well, other than the obvious..It would be nice to be able to switch to the
3-pin setup now and then, but I don't want to have to buy the whole binding.. _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
No one cares that you CAN'T tele!
Joined: 19 Feb 2011 Posts: 333 Location: Colorado, USA
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject:
vdrifter,
Assume you do not mean "Voile Release Binding Kit Adapter Plate", which they do sell.
I tried to buy riser and spring-loaded release mechanisms alone a couple years ago and was told they would not sell them alone because there were too many "small but critical" differences re alignment of adapter plates/complete toe plates that could/would make release setting quite unreliable. I had enough diverse parts to actually verify that this was case sometimes, to point of negating releaseability.
So, now I believe them and am careful to check various combinations I actually use to verify releaseability. I did notice that parts from older CRBs generally were switchable, ditto for parts from more recent СRBs.
Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 17876 Location: following Diogenes, but the ba$tard threw away the lamp so I'm just stumbling along in the dark!
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject:
Looks like I'll have to bolt on the Hardwire to the existing adapter plate..GearEx, here I come! _________________ "Moderate is not the new Low" - Chris Joosen, USFS Lead Snow Ranger (Tuckerman Ravine, White Mountains National Forest)
Assume you do not mean "Voile Release Binding Kit Adapter Plate", which they do sell.
I tried to buy riser and spring-loaded release mechanisms alone a couple years ago and was told they would not sell them alone because there were too many "small but critical" differences re alignment of adapter plates/complete toe plates that could/would make release setting quite unreliable. I had enough diverse parts to actually verify that this was case sometimes, to point of negating releaseability.
So, now I believe them and am careful to check various combinations I actually use to verify releaseability. I did notice that parts from older CRBs generally were switchable, ditto for parts from more recent СRBs.
Beware and check twice before skiing,
Starik
no..I was thinking of the toe pieces, actually..
of course they do sell adapter plates which work for about any 3-pin type binding..I have a stack of those..and literally boxes of pistons yada yada yada..my experience is that once you setup to about a "4" , it take a LOT to get a release..sometimes i think using the voile crb, of wtvr variety, is just an issue of comforting the mind..allaying fears.. _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
No one cares that you CAN'T tele!
Joined: 19 Feb 2011 Posts: 333 Location: Colorado, USA
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject:
vdrifter,
I set my CRB release setting for a weakened knee -- about 2,5 -- and make sure it actually releases without more than minor pain to that knee. So far, all but one release has been proceeded by mounting pain in that knee and a bit of soreness next day, even though I did ski more on day of each release. No unwanted releases.
And, yes, I ski very carefully and slow, so I can ski another run that day, as well as another day. I hate sitting at home wishing I could go skiing.
Does anyone know why Voile won't sell plates separately ?
Well, other than the obvious..It would be nice to be able to switch to the
3-pin setup now and then, but I don't want to have to buy the whole binding..
I set my CRB release setting for a weakened knee -- about 2,5 -- and make sure it actually releases without more than minor pain to that knee. So far, all but one release has been proceeded by mounting pain in that knee and a bit of soreness next day, even though I did ski more on day of each release. No unwanted releases.
And, yes, I ski very carefully and slow, so I can ski another run that day, as well as another day. I hate sitting at home wishing I could go skiing.
At level 4, I agree with you.
Starik
Setting light for the weak knee seems like a good idea... Whenever i have set < 3 though, I have popped releases with very little effort.. might set down for my bad knee and see how it goes.. _________________ Speak and remove all doubt..
No one cares that you CAN'T tele!
I skied CRBs for a lot of years, on a lot of skis, with a lot of different 75mm bindings. Once set up right they work pretty well but they can be awfully fiddly to set up right. The only thing worse than having to use them would have been not having them to use.
I've got a few of them for sale if anyone is interested.
Got any 3-pin Hardwire plates for CRB?
Not sure exactly what part you are looking for. Do you mean the base plate? The adapter plate that lets you mount a three hole binding into a CRB? The 3-pin hardwire binding that snaps into a CRB setup?
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