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skipowpow



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So my $75 ski and binding investment is now going to cost me $$$$$ for plastic boots and top notch instruction??? You guys suck!! Wink Laughing Laughing

Seriously, thanks for the feedback. My intention was to have a couple of those days where we pull out her tele gear and see how it goes for a couple of runs and then decide if we need to invest more. Looking at mom's boots tonight and those skis = no fun.

QQ her alpine shell size is a 24. So 24 or 25 as she is a growing girl and is cursed with dad's big feet. If anyone has a line on something like that in the Denver area, let me know. I don't mind spending a little $ on gear just to have her grow out of it, because her sister definitely wants to give it a go too. Cool It is hard to find the deals though and spending the day driving around looking tele boots has zero appeal.

10-4 on the outside instruction. I also appreciate the discussion on male/female instructors. I know with alpine she had a better experience with female instructors. However, she is at that fun time in a girls life (13) when cute male instructors have appeal too. So while I agree with James that it doesn't make a difference if they are really good, if anyone one wants to drop some names of good female tele instructors, let me know. Wink Really any quality tele instructor that is good with kids is what I am looking for. This year we will be skiing Loveland and a couple days at Monarch. So suggestions there would be terrific.

Thanks again for the feedback.
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heather



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James wrote:

I am mixed on the guy teaching a young girl thing. I usually prefer to teach females. I would be curious if QQ asked her daughter if she thinks she would have harder time with a guy.


So long as the instructor knows how to teach and is better than me, I don't care if there is something dangling between the legs.

James... You sexy beast! I wanna take lessons from you! I will have tO come to Colorado one of these days.

Wink
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hdiddy



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would try to see out Ross Matlock @ Crested Butte if it's not too far out of the way. Level 3 PSIA, been in movies. He da man.

http://www.thesnowpros.org/index.php/PSIA-AASI/video-gallery/learning-lead-changes

I don't know if she does it anymore, but Dale Drennan (who now lives in CA) taught tele at Copper Mtn and I think goes back and forth from time to time. PSIA Level 3 and also a very gifted teacher. I've taken clinics with her at BV Telefest and been very happy with what she has to offer. I can ask her (friended through Facebook) if you want to see when she might be in CO this winter.
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davygoat2



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

learning one skill @ a time worked for me! saw plenty of videos linked to this site. I agree that having the right instructor is the best way.
I don't really have access to that here on the EC where I am so I'm flailing along and saving my coin for a Daddyday and a Telefest.
I'm feeling the groove on the groomers and Pow"ec style"
Kinda need it before I commit haricari in the bumps.
Instructor certs are great, but if you don't connect w/ them It's not fun for either of you.
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James



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hdiddy wrote:
I would try to see out Ross Matlock @ Crested Butte if it's not too far out of the way. Level 3 PSIA, been in movies. He da man.

http://www.thesnowpros.org/index.php/PSIA-AASI/video-gallery/learning-lead-changes


Ross is a lot more then level 3. He is an examiner and member of the PSIA nordic demonstration team.


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James



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skipowpow wrote:
So my $75 ski and binding investment is now going to cost me $$$$$ for plastic boots and top notch instruction??? You guys suck!! Wink Laughing Laughing

Seriously, thanks for the feedback. My intention was to have a couple of those days where we pull out her tele gear and see how it goes for a couple of runs and then decide if we need to invest more. Looking at mom's boots tonight and those skis = no fun.

QQ her alpine shell size is a 24. So 24 or 25 as she is a growing girl and is cursed with dad's big feet. If anyone has a line on something like that in the Denver area, let me know. I don't mind spending a little $ on gear just to have her grow out of it, because her sister definitely wants to give it a go too. Cool It is hard to find the deals though and spending the day driving around looking tele boots has zero appeal.

10-4 on the outside instruction. I also appreciate the discussion on male/female instructors. I know with alpine she had a better experience with female instructors. However, she is at that fun time in a girls life (13) when cute male instructors have appeal too. So while I agree with James that it doesn't make a difference if they are really good, if anyone one wants to drop some names of good female tele instructors, let me know. Wink Really any quality tele instructor that is good with kids is what I am looking for. This year we will be skiing Loveland and a couple days at Monarch. So suggestions there would be terrific.

Thanks again for the feedback.


When I was in your shoes I took my son to Loveland and rented the first few times. They have the older 2 buckle T-2s and a fair selection on girls skis. The only problem is on a lighter person those boots have wicker rocker launch. Still worth the price for a growing person who may not stick with it.

I don't know any female inst at Loveland. If you want male I will let you guess who I would recommend. For female QQ and I will agree on a very good one at A-Basin named Anita. There are a few others (female and male) at A-Basin I would recommend. Also if you do a private with any of us you can do the lesson at Loveland or any other resort through A-Basin. Let me know if I can help any further. I know most of the top inst. in Colorado.
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James



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heather wrote:
James... You sexy beast! I wanna take lessons from you! I will have tO come to Colorado one of these days.


Embarassed
I would love to meet and ski with you. Sadly the kind flirtatious comments above would probably end after you met me.
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Shan



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of advice given already re: teaching.

For boots, first look at the Turnaround page obviously, but also give Wilderness Exchange a look. They are having a swap on October 8th in the parking lot behind the store too.
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James



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ Good idea.

Also Wilderness Sports in Dillon almost always has lots of older light tele boots for sale
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Starik



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another option is Denver Craig's List, or for a town closer to you. Currently there are a few pairs of Mondo 24- 24,5 plastic telemark boots at much less than new prices. All with pics and generally decent descriptions. This can be very "precision shopping", with one auto trip for each item. Sometimes listed is telemark equipment that someone's kids have outgrown.

Finding what you want on Craig's List can be instant gratification or long, patient monitoring. I have accumulated a small collection of nearly new telemark boots and thermomouldable liners in exactly my size, over a year's time.

Starik
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telemarkerSteve



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 2c:

- plastic boots from the get-go sounds like good advice, especially since she's used to alpine gear
- the tele comic book is (Allen and Mike) is awesome and seems like it might be kid friendly
- discuss how she wants to learn with her - maybe she wants lessons w/ Dad, though being ready to change plan to pro instruction at the first signs of frustration is a good idea; also if she doesn't care about instructor gender, then you can go with "best available" instructor of either sex
- bring the alpine gear in the car and knock off each tele lesson before it gets to be drudgery
- re drudgery: it's best to work on one thing or at most two things at time instead of overwhelming a student, but I wouldn't go all hardcore "you must master this before moving on" either; if she want's to switch to working on a different "one thing" then roll with it

of course, WTFDIK
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QuiverQueen



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heather wrote:

James... You sexy beast! I wanna take lessons from you! I will have tO come to Colorado one of these days.


Hey heather, maybe we could get a group lesson going with James? Wink Not sure who'd have the most fun with that, him or us?

James wrote:
I am mixed on the guy teaching a young girl thing. I usually prefer to teach females. I would be curious if QQ asked her daughter if she thinks she would have harder time with a guy.


No, not a harder time, just a different experience. I might be bringing my own baggage to this discussion, but after having various lessons over the years with both sexes of instructors and all levels of certification, it has been a Level 3 female that really helped me begin to "get it." And James, you know who I'm talking about. In all fairness, that is the person with whom I've spent the most time over the years. I have gotten wonderful help and advice from other instructors along the way, all of whom are passionate about tele and have different teaching styles.

Perhaps the thing for Skipowpow to take away from this discussion is to at some point get his daughter in lessons with someone that she likes and learns well from, regardless of how many pins they have attached to their jacket or whether they stand or sit to pee. Smile

Spp, check your pm's.
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JustinB



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calibrate your sarcasm meter folks. Wink
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Bah!! Git her a set of 200cm Kazamas with 3-Pins and an old worn-out pair of cows. Teach that kid right about soul, feel, finesse & the arc.
Take the kid out to the toolies on the worst dust on breakable crust day. Send her down a tight treed slope of 40 degrees or steeper to teach endurance. The fear'll keep her pointed where she belongs.
Next, add in a few performance incentives. If she parallels, make her break trail. If she poodles, she gets to test the next wind loaded slope.
Learn her right & she'll remember it for the rest of her life.
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James wrote:
heather wrote:

James... You sexy beast! I wanna take lessons from you! I will have tO come to Colorado one of these days.

Embarassed
I would love to meet and ski with you. Sadly the kind flirtatious comments above would probably end after you met me.
I doubt the flirting would stop. Heather has a thick enough skin to keep flirting for her own entertainment purposes. Cool Especially if the recipient is prone to blushing. Laughing
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Telerodder



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My middle daughter is 14 and a good intermediate skier. She watched me off and on and just sprung it on me she wants to try tele this year. I got some skis and looking for some t2s or better boots. luckily she has big feet so mens 27-28s will be plentiful to find. I gave her Paul Parkers book to read and honestly think she will just start doing it all on her own with a little coaxing. Im hopeing she will feel the way I felt the first time I linked a few freeheel turns and go."Why havent I been doing this all along!"
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thar ya be. Should she get a bit frustrated, she can always parallel &/or dad can pony up for a lesson or two. Cool As long as your kids want to keep playing with ya, life is good. Cool
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