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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject: In the press: Reply with quote

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Backcountry snowmobilers have accounted for the largest number of avalanche related-fatalities in Canada for the last three years, a statistic the Canadian Avalanche Centre attributes in part to a growing trend in the use of the machines.

Between 2008 and 2010, 31 snowmobilers died in avalanches in Canada, while only 17 skiers were killed during the same time period, data from the centre based in Revelstoke, B.C., shows.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/01/25/f-avalanche-related-deaths-backcountry-skiers.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The results makes sense to me. The snowmobiles cover a lot more terrain and they are heavier. So their impact on the snowpack has to be great.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, sure, but snowmos have a far, far greater ability to escape the consequences of a slide. Like, grabbing the throttle and roaring uphill to safety while the slide rumbles down underneath them. And the fact that when a slab breaks loose under them, they aren't immediately thrown on their asses like most skiers are (like pulling a rug out from under your feet). I'm not a sledder and I don't like them, but they do have huge mechanical advantages when it comes to getting out of tight spots.

The avy professionals I've spoken to have expressed that a very different education and risk profile exists between the backcountry self-propelled crowd and sledders. I reckon this has a lot to do with the accident stats.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really need to put it in the context of the number of user days for each group. Snowmobiling is a huge sport in north america. Figures on the number of user days per activity are hard to impossible to find with any confidence, but it's very possible that snowmobilers have the same or even a lower fatality rate than skiers on this basis. But there's no truly reliable way to know.

Something I read recently estimated that well over 70% of winter backcountry use is snowmobiling. I have no idea where that came from though, and I wouldn't rely on it. But if it's even close the figures don't come out so bad. IF 2/3 of backcountry use is snowmobiling (just for the sake of an example here) then there would be 2 days per each one skier day. 17 skier deaths would translate into 34 snowmobile deaths. And the rate would be more or less equal.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

geekthegreek wrote:
Uh, sure, but snowmos have a far, far greater ability to escape the consequences of a slide.


The 50 or so trashed snowmobiles I saw last year in the compound of the local tow company didn't.

But amazing that it doesn't happen more often given that the favourite viewing location for highmarking seems to be in the runout of the avalanche path.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowman wrote:
Something I read recently estimated that well over 70% of winter backcountry use is snowmobiling. I have no idea where that came from though,

I think that figure's probably correct given that most backcountry in North America is flat and most North Americans are motorheads.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick (AT) wrote:
geekthegreek wrote:
Uh, sure, but snowmos have a far, far greater ability to escape the consequences of a slide.


The 50 or so trashed snowmobiles I saw last year in the compound of the local tow company didn't.

But amazing that it doesn't happen more often given that the favourite viewing location for highmarking seems to be in the runout of the avalanche path.


in the compound at revy?some pictures I seen had sleds torn completely in half

Last month A skier I met on a chair told me they worked in the industry in a sled shop, she said 60-70 % of those sleds were NEVER claimed from the compound and the reason was that those sleds that were not claimed had serial #'s of sleds that had been reported lost/stolen/totaled ... anybody claiming those sleds would have some explaining to do

it might also explain why people caught in the aviy did not want to talk to or cooperate with ANYBODY
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